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The Great Koran Controversy: Will Muslim Martyrs Get 72 Raisins Instead of Virgins
dailygalaxy ^

Posted on 11/21/2010 3:32:32 PM PST by JoeProBono

According to an Islam tradition, Muslim martyrs will go to paradise and marry 72 black-eyed virgins. But some Koran scholars point to a less sexy paradise. While beautifully written, Islamic texts are often obscure. The Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and growing evidence suggests that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.

Specifically, the Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get “hur,” and the word was taken by early commentators to mean “virgins,” hence those 72 concubines. But in Aramaic, hur actually meant “white” and was commonly used to specifically mean “white grapes.”

The exact number of virgins (or raisins) is not specified in Koran, but the number 72 comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser-known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions.) After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were collected to form the Hadith, which is the second most authoritative document is Islam, after the Koran.

The philologist "Christoph Luxenburg", (who always uses a pseudonym for security reasons) notes that grapes would actually make more sense, because the text compares them to crystal and pearls, and because contemporary accounts have paradise abounding with fruit, especially white grapes....

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: 72raisins; 72virgins; 72whiteraisins; arabic; aramaic; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; koran; middleages; syriac
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To: Tijeras_Slim

21 posted on 11/21/2010 4:06:01 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Virgins? I thought it was Virginians!


22 posted on 11/21/2010 4:07:25 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: JoeProBono

gin soaked raisins for all!
Terayza


23 posted on 11/21/2010 4:10:15 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: muawiyah

The sultana (also called the sultanina) is a type of white, seedless grape of Turkish, Greek, South African or Iranian origin.


24 posted on 11/21/2010 4:12:53 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

I wonder if the other 70 look just like these.

25 posted on 11/21/2010 4:15:08 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: silverleaf

26 posted on 11/21/2010 4:16:52 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Wow, they look like raisins!


27 posted on 11/21/2010 4:32:09 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: muawiyah

I think that most of the Jews were slaves back then.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 4:51:10 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: JoeProBono

That would be a huge letdown. I would feel very cheated if I blew myself up and found out my reward was 72 raisins. I don’t even like raisins.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 4:52:42 PM PST by redangus
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To: JoeProBono
So what we're saying here is Ali Been Schemin' blows his ass to kingdom come, there's some afterlife tourguide waiting and says "thanks for your sacrifice, here's your fruit basket"?

Thanks to Jim Quinn for the smart assed commentary.

30 posted on 11/21/2010 4:55:51 PM PST by infidel29 (Since 0bama is NOT a uniter, can we change the acronym to just plain P.O.S.?)
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To: fightinJAG

“Does this give a whole new meaning to “sour grapes”?”

The Grapes of Wrath?

or

The Wrath of Grapes?


31 posted on 11/21/2010 5:19:10 PM PST by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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To: fightinJAG

“Heavenly” beatings.


32 posted on 11/21/2010 5:21:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: mountainlion
According to Mohammad himself there were organized, active Jewish tribes all over the place in his day.

Judaism had spread far beyond Israel ~ there were even Jewish missionaries in India working the same crowds as early Christian missionaries (or the same missionaries were spreading both faiths).

33 posted on 11/21/2010 6:00:30 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: JoeProBono

I went to school in 50’s & 60’s and it was always my understanding that Islam was based on both Christian and Jewish writings. I don’t remember any sources but apparently it was the accepted opinion.

Anybody else?


34 posted on 11/21/2010 7:41:42 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: bgill

Oh please, not this nonsense again.

Who do they think they are going to fool with this crap?


35 posted on 11/21/2010 8:07:09 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: redangus
*That would be a huge letdown. I would feel very cheated if I blew myself up and found out my reward was 72 raisins. I don’t even like raisins.*

Perhaps Satan will give them the option of getting 72 craisins instead of raisins as a parting gift for doing so much work for him on Earth before they get into the hand-basket for their ride to Hell.

36 posted on 11/22/2010 8:35:37 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: infidel29
*So what we're saying here is Ali Been Schemin’ blows his ass to kingdom come, there's some afterlife tourguide waiting and says “thanks for your sacrifice, here's your fruit basket”?*

I think the punishment for some of the radical suicide bombers and other hate-preaching Muslims when they arrive in Hell after eating their 72 raisins should be that they will be treated in the same manner that they wanted Jews, Christians and women to be treated on Earth, only magnified a few hundred times.

When the raisins run out, they get to eat live BLT sandwiches with moldy bread.

37 posted on 11/22/2010 8:42:19 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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This topic was posted 11/21/2010, thanks JoeProBono.

38 posted on 05/02/2025 12:57:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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