140th anniversary of the death of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee

The Telegraph ^ | October 10, 2010 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

[BigReb555]

General Lee died at his home at Lexington, Virginia at 9:30 AM on Wednesday, October 12, 1870.

[Fast Moving Angel]

The concept of "preserving" something with canister shot and minie balls is a little preposterous.

Yes, not to mention the looting and rape of the south toward the end of the war, and during reconstruction -- that couldn't be called preservation in anyone's dictionary.

[45semi]

A VERY good read, the man was a logistical-organizational genius,
doing more with less than any other General in history (except maybe George Washington).
He was a Master of deployment in terms of resources & terrain.
The wartime papers of Robert E. Lee

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

True.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Yes, not to mention the looting and rape of the south toward the end of the war, and during reconstruction -- that couldn't be called preservation in anyone's dictionary.

Yes, the looting and rape of the South was a job properly left to the Confederates and they were doing a fine job of it too until the Yankees moved in.

[Candor7]

[Non-Sequitur]

The general who should hve been president, instead of Grant.

I imagine that whole rebellion thing kind of ruined any chance he had of that.

[vpintheak]

Honestly some of you people need to grow up. Lee was a man who made a terrible mistake and joined the South.
He did the nation a great service by doing all he could AFTER the war to heal the wounds. Because of that he redeemed himself.

[rockrr]

Already posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2600044/posts

and by you here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2605012/posts

Ain’t cha kinda worn out on the subject yet?!

[warm n fuzzy]

My family fought for South Carolina, and you couldn’t be more wrong.

The SOUTH drew the sword first at Fort Sumpter.

WTF was the Union supposed to do?

Bend over?

And spare me that specious PC tripe about “violence never solving anything”, we are speaking ENGLISH, not German or Japanese or Russian/Chinese, (yet), and it is only by force of arms that this is true.

My ancestors were not slave owners, but even if they had been I would NEVER support an established society that had slavery. Maybe you could or would? Save your BS about the war between the states NOT being about slavery because it sure as H was.

Is the feral gooberment a good thing? Does the feral gooberment run like the founders, (many of who were SOUTHERNERS), intended?

Of course not.

That WAR ended 145 years ago. The SOUTH lost.

What is now IS.

Get F ing over it.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks.

[jmacusa]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. The South gambled and lost. It’s over. It has been for 145 f’ing years.

[unkus]

Hand salute!

[hellbender]

The "union" was supposed to be a voluntary covenant between sovereign States, not an empire in which the States had to remain or else be militarily crushed. Hardly any State would have ratified the Constitution if they thought the latter meaning was intended. The fact that our Federal system has been largely destroyed and the Federal govt. lords it over the States is largely due to the Northern victory in the Civil War.

As to our nation being overwhelmed in wars had the Union not survived, that's nonsense. No European or Asian power ever directly threatened the U.S. territory until late in the last century. Our foolish involvement in WW I on behalf of imperial Britain and nasty, revanchist France produced no benefits to us, but led directly to WW 2, in which we were involved largely because of 1) the mess our allies made in WW 1, and 2) our earlier vainglorious imperialist venture against Spain, which placed us in the Philippines, directly athwart the ambitions of imperial Japan. The Japs did not want to conquer the U.S.; they wanted us out of their backyard. Were the Japs nice? Of course not, nor were the National Socialists, Saddam Hussein, or many of our other opponents in war. But this country can't reform and save the whole planet. We are now broke, and at the mercy of potentially the largest and most ruthless empire in history: Red China. Every war has led to an enormous increase in debt and in Federal power.

[Candor7]

[warm n fuzzy]

No, thank you for posting this.

General Robert E. Lee was a great and good AMERICAN.

In fact all of those who fought and bled and died in that WAR, on BOTH sides, were AMERICANS.

[warm n fuzzy]

Yep.

That’s why we call it “history”.

[rockrr]

The "union" was supposed to be a voluntary covenant between sovereign States, not an empire in which the States had to remain or else be militarily crushed.

No one except possibly the Lost Cause Losers believe that it is.

The fact that our Federal system has been largely destroyed and the Federal govt. lords it over the States is largely due to the Northern victory in the Civil War.

"Largely destroyed"?! Get a grip.

As to our nation being overwhelmed in wars had the Union not survived, that's nonsense. Without the resources of the north to protect her, the south would have succumbed to foreign intrusion within a decade at the outside. The way davis ran the government, most likely sooner.

[hellbender]

And just who are these foreign intruders who would have conquered the South within a decade? Spain? France? Britain?

I don't know whether it's strictly true, but diehard Confederate Raphael Semmes said that at the time of it's foundation, the Confederacy was the third wealthiest nation in the world. I imagine the 1st would have been Britain and the 2nd the U.S. It took all the resources and manpower of the mighty U.S. 4 years to defeat the South. I don't think U.S. Grant would have told you the South was a pushover.

[hellbender]

I repeat: No one would have ratified the Constitution if they thought there was not the same right to leave which is laid out in the Declaration of Independence, and which they had exercised against Great Britain. Ever read what Jefferson said about periodic revolutions? Is he one of the Lost Cause Losers you glibly talk about? How about the New Englanders who wanted to secede over the War of 1812, or the Mexican War?