Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.
In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson
(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...
The Scholars on Guy Malone’s DVD’s are most convincing. I encourage you to check them out.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and the doctrines of devils;
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Are you refusing to stop pinging me?
I’d laugh until I passed out.
I’ve taken you off the ping lists.
I shall continue to endeavor to honor your request.
I’m not making blanket promises about never pinging you for any reason to anything.
You know the rules and what the Religion Moderator has stated about such things.
Maybe I’ll have to start asking wives if their little petulant boys can come out and play.
Sheesh.
I was under the impression that it was requested that folks not keep other posters on their ping lists if they request to be taken off.
In any event, whether the mods wish to intervene or not, certainly one shows that one is not much of a person if one can't honor such a simple request.
So, I will ask again, please remove me permanently from your ping list(s). I never posted to this thread before the unwanted ping, nor did I even open the thread up.
Whether the moderators wish to add their own comments or not, perhaps you are enough of a gentleman to respect my request.
If not, so be it.
sitetest
That could make the critters’ work a lot easier.
Perhaps you could edumacate me.
Just HOW is it that
AFTER I’ve
ALREADY taken you OFF a ping list . . .
I can CONTINUE TO RELENTLESSLY TAKE YOU OFF AS YOU SEEM TO RELENTLESSLY DEMAND?
HOW DO I REMOVE SOMETHING THAT’S NOT THERE???
Is this more of the unreal mystified magical magicsterical dogma from the VATICAN ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING?
Or is this part of the white hanky matrix?
I confess I’m absolutely clueless about how to remove something that’s already been removed.
“Homies”- that made me laugh. Now people are staring at me for laughing at my computer screen... I will have to find a new cubicle to live in.
Seriously Quix, I don’t give much thought to UFO’s. Christ is Spirit (the flesh part was crucified, died, buried and rose from the dead) not an alien. We (humanity) cracks me up. We want to put the Lord in our own little boxes. We think we are the only ones anywhere, ever. We have this deep need to make cute little packages for everything to fit in. No one has ever had the technology we have... blah, blah, blah. Man accomplished some amazing things with out computers, without power tools.
That said, (I know it sounds like babble) I am interested in post 433. Really cool pictures. History/archeaology is amazing. That my friend proves two things: 1 there definitely is a God. 2. He has a sense of humor because we are still here floundering.
Have a Blessed weekend!
What a wonderful post.
I rather thoroughly agree.
Thanks.
I should get up . . . have my OJ and do some concrete mixing and pouring . . . wheeee. Gotta move a pile of dirt and a rose bush first. More wheeee.
“Perhaps you could edumacate me.”
Happy to help.
Look at the address line on the post to which I'm replying.
I see my screen name followed by a long list of other screen names, followed by an ellipsis (...), which means that there are more names than appear on the screen name.
All those names comprise a list. You are pinging them all (including me). That's called a “ping list.”
Now, when this post shows up in my pings, all I see is that you've pinged me. And a whole bunch of other folks. I'm included, at least on an ad hoc basis, in your ping list, at least the ping list of the moment.
If you're saying, “Well, I've removed you from my list, I won't ping you again, but I'm pinging you AND the list to this post,” that's fine. But I don't have any way of knowing that's what you've done. You haven't been quite crystal clear that you will cease pinging me. In fact, you've kinda indicated that you just might in the future.
So, if you have actually removed me from your ping list(s), ad hoc or otherwise, and will not be pinging me again, then thank you.
But here's a hint, if you feel the need to discuss something with me and you ping an entire list of folks when you do, then you have included me on one of your ping lists.
sitetest
As usual, you show your true character by dragging my wife into the midst of your nit wittery.
I (and at least one other long time FReeper) made a simple request. A gentleman would simply graciously acknowledge and comply with the request.
Uhhhhhh . . . no.
That list is just my sounding board/consultants . . . pinged to enjoy the absurdities. Most of us enjoy laughing at RC absurdities as we do laughing at our own absurdities.
OH GOOD GRIEF!
I've relentlessly talked about the satanic deceptions involving the critters far more than everyone else on here has combined for 10+ years.
AND, I'm including whatever remote possibility there might be for citizens of distant planets AS PART OF THAT DECEPTION!!!!
It's beginning to seem like unless I run around in a continual 24/7 Vulcan mind meld compliance with your construction of every detail of reality, that You'll consider me and my perspective grossly askew, suspect, wrong, bad, dangerous, whatever.
Welllllllllll EXCUSE ME!
WHAT UNMITIGATED CHEEKY BALDERDASH TO IMPLY THAT I'M QUESTIONING GOD'S WORD. GRRRRR. NEVER. NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. WASH YOUR FINGERS OUT.
I HAPPEN TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY HOLD TO THE CLEAR TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE--AS VIRTUALLY everyone on FR has known for all those years.
Sheesh.
LOL.
I don’t think I ever had the delusion that you considered me a gentleman any more than I ever had the delusion that you acted like one.
Maybe I could have put it better this way . . . that I’ll TRY and alert wives if there are such known . . . whenever I have an urge to seek a petulant hubby’s perspective . . . so they can talk me out of it, first.
As you may know, I've always been fascinated by UFO stories; I consider it a pet hobby of mine. As you may also know, I don't tend to take them very seriously; it's just entertainment for me. Although I do try to keep an open mind.
Speaking of my predilection for UFO stories, and keeping an open mind, I noticed another thread a couple of weeks ago, related to this one, announcing this press conference. It was of particular interest to me because a man by the name of James Carlson posted to you on September 16th of this year here. I bookmarked the post because I was interested to hear any other replies you may have had to his objections, any others other than the ones you initially posted.
Apparently since then Mr. Carlson has been banned, for reasons I don't know why, although I have pinged his screen name to this post should he return. I can't imagine he was banned for trying to sell his book, because his book is freely available online; there is no cost to download it. But I digress.
Of course, normally I wouldn't bother anyone with a question about a post from someone who's account has been banned or suspended. But the content of his initial post to you remains, and it remains unaddressed from what I have seen. I was curious:
1. Have you read what he posted to you back on Sept 16th, specifically the link to his online book about the incident mentioned in the press conference from Sept 28th? It can be found here. It seems to be a very detailed, highly documented and cited work. I do not see how the conclusions of falsity he draws about Hasting's and Salas' claims can be refuted.
2. To the point of refutation of falsity, specifically on page 10 of his work, he mentions that "[The Department of Defense] necessarily considers unidentified flying objects to be of unconfirmed national origin, so when they are mentioned in the course of an investigation of this sort on a base responsible for the targeting and firing of nuclear missiles, such rumors have to be accounted for. This was appropriately done in the course of the Echo Flight Incident investigation, and as the command history indicates, 'Rumors of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven.'10" (emphasis in the original). Note, reference "10" he cites here is from the source, "341st Strategic Missile Wing and 341st Combat Support Group HQ SAC DXIH 67-1865 (Command History, Vol. 1), p.32-34, & 38." Have you, or anyone, investigated this claim to determine if indeed, the official investigation concluded no outside influence interfered with the test flight of the missiles?
3. Page 10 of Mr. Carlson's work is of particular interest because it lays out the groundwork for a serious charge against Capt. Salas' claims, specifically that he was even there. Apparently Capt Salas has is own doubts, "I began to question if I was at Echo during the time of our incident since I knew I was assigned to the 490th Squadron, which did not have responsibility for Echo Flight." source: Salas, Robert L., "Minuteman Missiles Shutdown", Mutual UFO Network UFO Journal, January, 1997, No. 345, pp. 15-17, cont. 22, 23.
The paper Mr. Calrson authored then goes on to explain that it would be impossible, from a physical standpoint, for any outside source to cause electrical malfunction in just the launch control center, and not anywhere else. (Pages 351 onward), thus to posit a source of interference outside the facility, be it extraterrestrial in origin or not, would violate laws of physics.
As I mentioned previously, this paper is quite detailed, and indeed, the above are only a sampling of the numerous objections and supporting documents thereof that anyone can see by clicking the second link I provided.
It is unusual for anyone to put this much effort into debunking a UFO claim, and one may wonder, what is the motivation? Indeed, I have noted you question the motivation of "naysayers". However, if I may suggest, at least in this case, the motivation seems clear. By implication, if what Capt. Salas is claiming is true, then Mr. Carlson's father is/was involved in a coverup, thus, in this case, Mr. Carlson may feel (rightly I believe) that his father's good name is being besmirched by people like Capt. Salas and Mr. Hastings, presumably for the purposes of profit. Thus, it seems reasonable he (Mr. Carlson) would put this much effort into being a "naysayer". Perhaps this is the motivation behind many of the critics you and other UFO supporters receive on this site. After all, FR is a site where many people, past and present, have served in the military or have loved ones who have served, or are serving now. Thus, reports such as these, or really UFO claims in general, with associated claims of "military coverups" may engender feelings of hostility on the part of such FReepers.
Beyond that though, we are left with the claims and supporting documents Mr. Carlson presented in this case, and they seem quite convincing. This is, actually, my own experience when digging into UFO claims; I've found many, ultimately, to be based on shaky testimony and limited, questionable documentation. This is why it remains a hobby, entertainment to me. But again, I like to think I have an open mind which is why I'm bothering to post to you in the first place about this incident.
How do you respond to James Carlson's charges against Mr. Hastings and Capt. Salas?
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