Losing friends over Palin (Have you ever lost friends over politics ?)

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

I have lost THREE real life friends now in trying to defend Sarah Palin. On one hand I tend to think the people who call her stupid are not the kind of people I even want as friends anyhow. However, I wonder if im being too harsh and going too far.

I know our country was divided on President Bush. But the division and the hatred for Sarah Palin has been able to top anything. Before Palin, I had a much more positive outlook on people (especially women, mothers, ect) and life in general. Now I find myself seeing people through a totally different lens.

I understand why I am so outraged as a husband and father of two girls. But what is wrong with WOMEN in this country ? they have really let Sarah Palin and her family down by not standing up enough and drawing a line in the sand.

[mkjessup]

Yeah, you look at the keywords.
We have some deranged Palin haters floating around. Nothing funny about that.

Who are the these 'Palin haters' anyway? I have never seen any FReeper post the words "I hate Sarah Palin", I know I haven't. Unfortunately for the Palin groupies, anyone who disagrees with the former Governor of Alaska is categorized as a 'Palin Hater', which is exactly the same sort of behavior from the masses of 0bama worshipers in 2008, if one dared to kriticize the Kenyan, they were labeled 'racist', 'black-hating bigot', 'knuckle-draggin' redneck', any and all epithets were applied to those who dared question Mr Hope & Change.

The fact is, Sarah Palin is a Republican first, and a conservative second. That is why she is more than comfortable with supporting and endorsing RINO-scum like McCain, Fiorina, Michael Steele, and their ilk. Her supporters are quick to say "ohhhh but she supports OTHERS who are conservative", which only proves the point that she is not (to borrow J.D. Hayworth's campaign theme) a consistent conservative, her conservatism blows with the wind, in whatever direction is expedient.

[HungarianGypsy]

A lot of times, the best thing to do is to state your case, then let it be. If they push it after, let them know they now your stance, even if you cannot understand theirs and you would rather let it be. I have a few very liberal friends. They know when they rant I am going to ignore them and pushing me is just going to piss me off. The only person I unfriended (both on Facebook and in real life) was a colleague who after the Arizona law passed posted his status as Viva La Raza! That was my own line and I can put up with a lot.

[Fiji Hill]

I think we can all agree that all political systems are ultimately going to be flawed because men are in charge.

So let's put a woman in charge!

[Melas]

You have a much higher opinion of people in general than I do,

Probably. I truly am a people person. I like people.

If all parents really wanted the best for their children, our society would not be so screwed up.

Nah, intentions alone are no guarantee. I can't count the parents that I've known in my life who in my opinion screwed up royally with their children, but in all honesty, I can't claim that was their intention. They almost uniformly meant well. Same with most liberals. Most garden variety liberals, the type you'd meet in your neighborhood, have better intentions than they have understanding.

I always take life lessons from sports. Try hard, bounce back.. all the annoying cliche..

Since I've never watched or cared for sports, I can't comment. I've taken most of my life lessons from philosophy and history.

[Melas]

So let's put a woman in charge!

Oh the temptation to respond and ruin my reputation for life.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“The fact is, Sarah Palin is a Republican first, and a conservative second.”

U T O H !!

Now you have done it!!

YOU hate Palin!

You drooling hater you!!

1) You’re a communist!

2)You’re a fascist!

3) Obama-Lover!

4) Socialist!

5) Left wing freak!

6) Alinskyite!

7) Trotskyite!

8) Trilobite!

9) Marxist!

10)Mooncalf!

MKJESSUP: “ But all I said was Palin was very wrong for campaigning for McCain....I “

Don’t you “ I “ me! I know your kind! I know what you’re up to!

I know what you are doing! I even know what you are THINKING!!

I know you fear a strong woman!

I know your kind!

You had a weak mother!

You had a weak father!

Your parents were both sadists!

I know your kind!

[Joya]

I’m not a debater.

There are many conservatives out there who are drifting to the left and don’t even realize it.

Definitely things are more polarized all the time.

Thanks for your feedback.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

The fact is that she seems like a good person and she does not deserve most of the attacks on her and her family.

Calling her a quitter and mocking her suppoters sure seems like hatred to me.

It makes me grind my teeth to the point they hurt.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

For starters...

Anyone who supports abortion is not a good person. There is no way they could be. There is no middle ground there.

I don’t know how women who support abortion can also be “good mothers”. Thats a contradiction.

[mkjessup]

"Mooncalf"?!?!?

You outed me Bro. Damn, and I thought I was hiding all of this boiling and bubbling HATE too, I even was taking 'Love That Rogue' anti-hate pills 3 times a day too.

But I still like some of Sarah's positions, I just don't know if I can describe them all without catching a lot of grief for it.


(hmmm, let's see, there's missionary ....)


***BRACE FOR INCOMING!!!!!!***

[rabscuttle385]

(hmmm, let's see, there's missionary ....)

LOL!

[mkjessup]

shhh!!!! that was just between you, me, SJB and DoughtyOne!! C’mon, you’re gonna get everybody p*ssed off with me! ;)

[stephenjohnbanker]

And I thought calling you a “trilobite” would piss you off ;-)

[Ronin]

Back when we were in the Navy I had a friend who was a liberal. He was funny and friendly most of the time, great sense of humor and a very creative personality.

These days, however, he is vindictive and mean. He whines constantly. The last straw came when he said the American kids wearing flags to school were a bunch of ignorant racists.

That was the last time I spoke to him.

[South40]

Life has taught me that outside of academia no one ever actually wins a debate.

How wrong you are.

I do my homework beforehand, I reference facts accurately, I set aside ego and emotion and I make my points clearly and defended them.

Conversely, no one I debated had done any research beforehand, no one had any facts to support any position, no one made any points, clear, vague or otherwise and they all got emotional once they realized they had lost the debate.

Winning a debate does not mean you "brought the person you were debating with over to your side". That seldom happens if ever yet debates are won and lost all the time. I know this to be true because I do it regularly.

[gibsosa]

Indeed. Great post.

[mkjessup]

And I thought calling you a “trilobite” would piss you off ;-)

No, but if you had called me an “octobite”, now them's *fightin* words!

[Melas]

Lol, you’re missing the point. Most debates between individuals are merely monologues in the presence of a witness. You don’t win a damned thing if the other fellow walks away believing you’re wrong, no matter how right you think you may be. The idea that you’ve somehow “won” is nothing more than narcissism on your part.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Mooncalf?

[mkjessup]

that’s MoonBULL to you fella! LOL