Posted on 05/26/2010 2:22:18 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
I grew up playing baseball and football in a town of about 5000 people. I still remember standing on the pitchers mound with my mom is the stands watching me. I remember those summer days at the local swimming pool.
I miss that feeling. Not wanting to be child again. But I miss the feeling of knowing our country was going to be ok. I feel like a nightmare started on 9/11/01 and I need to wake back up.
I never liked to cry and show fear. But I have to admit that I am afraid of the future. What is happening to our country ? The national debt just hit 13 trillion. What is going to happen to our country ?
I worry about my daughters. What kind of country are they going to grow up in over the next 2 decades ?
I was watching Glenn Beck and I just had to turn it off and spike my mountain dew with some vodka.
I just can't watch anymore. This is a nightmare.
Excellent obeservation.
God will get you through anything, if you have the faith of a mustard seed.
About five years ago I took my family to Greenfield Village near Detroit. I was shocked to hear moslum prayer calls on the loud speakers of that city. Here in Michigan we call that place Dearbornistan.
Stand on your faith and buckle up, bumpy roads ahead.
I expected it would sooner or later.
Oh they did occur, they just occurred under the radar without the mainstream media blowing it in our face 24/7. Then again, back then we didn't have to worry about getting placed on the sex offender's list by grabbing a girl's arm who dashed out in front of your car
Yes, because they all know that Muzzies, Jews and Christians all worship the same God.
And if you believe that, I have a slightly used bridge I'd like to sell you.
Amen.
We’re being punished because of 50million abortions since 1973.
England. Henry VIII and Cromwell.
France. Napoleon and Petain.
Czechoslovakia, Poland, E. Germany, Hungary, Rumania, etc. USSR.
Germany. The Nazis.
Japan.
S. Korea. Rhee.
Greece. Metaxas and the colonels, among others.
Mexico. Various, but most notably Diaz.
Chile. Allende and Pinochet.
Most Latin American countries have gone thru cycles of dictatorship and (sort of) democracy, as have many Asian countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.
Iraq. Saddam.
It's a very long list. Very few countries have a continuous history of freedom as we do. And every old country had to take its liberties, generally by force, from tyrants, because tyrants used to rule everywhere.
Furriners ain't allowed to own property in the non-discriminatory and non-profiling country of Mexico.
QED
I looked into this and it seems that the restriction is on land less than 100km from a border or less than 50 km from a coast.
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?"
Knowing the truth presents its own solutions.
I can only speak to the history that I know but int he case of Napoleon, nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and Iraq, the people did not get their freedom back. Never. The people were liberated by an external military force from a moral nation that believed in liberation over conquest.
In 3 of those cases, the liberating force was America. When America falls by the wayside as a free nation, who is going to be the world’s liberating force? Do you suppose China will come and be our liberators? I highly doubt it.
Even in the case of the Iron Curtain, America was still the liberating force. We liberated Eastern Europe with economic pressure rather than military warfare.
I was making the point that we are heading toward socialist tyranny and there has never been the free democratic nation that could vote itself back from tyranny. The cycle, as you pointed odut in some of your examples, is that the nation has to go through a period of opression and tyranny before it again musters the spiritual courage to fight with arms against its oppressors and win back its freedom.
Never has their been a nation that voted itself into opression and then voted itself back out. The oppressors prevent it.
I get your point, and I agree that many of the nations I listed were freed by external forces, not their own efforts. And we certainly can't count on anybody liberating us.
However, it is a historical fact that oppressors are not always, in fact never are, a monolithic force that stands unchanging thru eternity.
The Argentine military dictators picked a fight with Maggie Thatcher and got clobbered. They soon lost power. Military dictators have to win their wars to keep power.
Allende and then Pinochet destroyed democracy in Chile. Pinochet and his crew then either got tired or decided democracy should be allowed to come back. Much the same thing happened in Spain after Franco and Portugal after Salazar. All three countries are now firmly democratic, although at least the European ones have major problems economically and demographically.
Same thing happened in USSR and all of Eastern Europe. Communism collapsed from its own internal contradictions, ironically enough. It is actually a good argument whether our ecomomic and military confrontation with USSR accelerated or slowed this collapse. While we stressed the system, we also provided a convenient outside enemy that encouraged internal solidarity.
While I would never claim China is free, it is certainly much less unfree than it used to be.
My point is merely that looking at the road from freedom to tyranny as inevitably a one-way street leading to a pit of eternal despotism from which there is no escape is just not historically accurate.
You are correct. That’s what I get for posting from memory of a long past reading of a Mexican history book.
I’m sorry for being unclear. Everything cycles. Everything. So the cycles of liberty and oppresssion cycle as well, as you just illustrated. I did not mean to imply that from 10,000 BC to the end of historic time, all liberty would plunge toward oppression irretrievably.
I was talking very specifically about the USA today. I consider it inevitable that in a few generations time, 3 or 4, that the US government will be an oppressive socialist or communist totalitarian dictatorship. While we Conservatives fight against this outcome, I believe that the best we can achieve is to delay this outcome. I do not believe we can prevent it — only delay it.
There are many people here who think that we can actually prevent a fall into socialist opression, or think we can actually restore our lost freedoms. I don’t believe that will happen. I believe some of us will fight toward that end, but will fail, sold out by the masses of uninformed, immoral, dependent voters who will sell us into tyranny with their votes for more giveways in echange for their giving the US central government more and more power.
I outlined the reasons for my belief this will happen, in the post you originally responded to.
Assuming I am correct for arguments sake, assuming the mass of ignorant voters allows totalitarian US central government authority, I said we will not be able to get our freedoms back unless or until we becomes so oppressed that we feel we have nothing to lose, and rediscover spiritual faith as a people, as a nation, so as to find the courage to demand a restoration of our constitutional rights.
I didn’t mean to say that liberty can’t possibly ever come from tyranny.
I meant to say that I believe the USA will inevtitably become a socialist/communist totalitarian dictatorship whether this occurs in 2 generations or 5, that there are insufficient numbers of rabid freedom-worshipping Americans who demand liberty above all money, leisure or security, to prevent this inevitable outcome, and that once the totalitarian authority is intrenched, we will not be able to cast off the yoke of this tyranny for a long, long time thereafter.
I more or less agree. Thanks for your time.
“FRiend...but I can assure you, it is your problem as well.”
FRiend...but I can assure you, it is your problem and not mine.
Sorry FReeper friend. With the Canal doing great, with new oil discoveries in El Darien, etc., with the local Panamanian banking system doing just great, Panama is sitting on top of the world. My country, the U.S., has become a banana republic.
And this is not being smug. I realize the truth is difficult.
Congratulations for not facing U.S. problems head on but find everybody else but yourself misguided.
My best regareds.
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