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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Name one nation that has surrenndered its freedom to tyrants and got their rights back? I can’t name one.

England. Henry VIII and Cromwell.

France. Napoleon and Petain.

Czechoslovakia, Poland, E. Germany, Hungary, Rumania, etc. USSR.

Germany. The Nazis.

Japan.

S. Korea. Rhee.

Greece. Metaxas and the colonels, among others.

Mexico. Various, but most notably Diaz.

Chile. Allende and Pinochet.

Most Latin American countries have gone thru cycles of dictatorship and (sort of) democracy, as have many Asian countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.

Iraq. Saddam.

It's a very long list. Very few countries have a continuous history of freedom as we do. And every old country had to take its liberties, generally by force, from tyrants, because tyrants used to rule everywhere.

70 posted on 05/26/2010 6:59:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I can only speak to the history that I know but int he case of Napoleon, nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and Iraq, the people did not get their freedom back. Never. The people were liberated by an external military force from a moral nation that believed in liberation over conquest.

In 3 of those cases, the liberating force was America. When America falls by the wayside as a free nation, who is going to be the world’s liberating force? Do you suppose China will come and be our liberators? I highly doubt it.

Even in the case of the Iron Curtain, America was still the liberating force. We liberated Eastern Europe with economic pressure rather than military warfare.

I was making the point that we are heading toward socialist tyranny and there has never been the free democratic nation that could vote itself back from tyranny. The cycle, as you pointed odut in some of your examples, is that the nation has to go through a period of opression and tyranny before it again musters the spiritual courage to fight with arms against its oppressors and win back its freedom.

Never has their been a nation that voted itself into opression and then voted itself back out. The oppressors prevent it.


75 posted on 05/27/2010 7:53:12 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Liberal are like termites eating away our cultural foundations.)
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