Posted on 05/18/2010 10:33:04 PM PDT by It's me
CUPERTINO, California, May 18, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple Computers, says his company will not be a party to the pornography industry and hopes that the iPad and iPhone revolution will help lead to a porn-free world.
Jobs reiterated his position in a heated e-mail exchange with Ryan Tate, a writer for Gawker.com, which follows news and gossip in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Tate, who admitted that he was home alone and slightly inebriated at the time, took issue with a television ad calling the iPad a “revolution” and fired off an e-mail to Jobs.
“If Dylan [American songwriter Bob Dylan is one of Jobs’ favorite musicians] was 20 today, how would he feel about your company? Would he think the iPad had the faintest thing to do with ‘revolution?’ Revolutions are about freedom,” Tate wrote, not expecting a response from Jobs.
However, Jobs did respond to Tate, triggering an e-mail duel. “Yep, freedom from programs that steal your private data. Freedom from programs that trash your battery. Freedom from porn. Yep, freedom,” responded Jobs. “The times they are a changin’, and some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is.”
However, Tate accused Jobs of "imposing" his "morality" by having Apple forbid pornographic applications for iPad. “I don’t want ‘freedom from porn.’ Porn is just fine! And I think my wife would agree,” fired back Tate - who later said he regretted mentioning his wife.
Jobs shot back, “You might care more about porn when you have kids.”
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but won’t all of the apps you mentioned run on a Mac? You have to load Windows for Paint.net, but the rest will run in OS X.
And a good portion of iPad apps are probably free. There are a ton of free iPhone apps. I don’t know how the ratio would breakdown and how it would compare to the ratio of paid vs free for desktop OSes, but there are a good number of free apps out there.
Number of iPhone apps: 185,000
Number of Android apps: 20,000
But first you will have to actually buy an Android phone.
But you might want to wait for Google's Chrome Webstore that will be coming out later this year. But at the moment it has 0 applications.
Why does anyone need Steve Jobs to excercise someone else’s self control? A bit holier than thoug is he not?
Yes, but I was told I was a censor and a fascist for saying that.
You are correct. The Mac is the last true general purpose computer that Apple produced. All the latest i{Phone,Pod,Pad} gadgets do not permit you to load and use a program that Apple hasn't approved. Current rules also demand that such an application must be handwritten for the gadget, and not compiled or translated from another language. This puts a major crimp on any porting desire that developers may have.
And a good portion of iPad apps are probably free. There are a ton of free iPhone apps.
Some would be free, but they still have to come from a developer that is authorized by Apple, and he will need a Mac to write the software. The costs aren't that high - a $99/yr for the iPhone developer program and whatever you can spare for a Mac. There is also a free developer program, I don't know how it compares to the $99/yr plan and what are the differences - Apple doesn't say and does its best to hide it. To compare, I downloaded the Android SDK without signing anything or paying anything, directly from Google, and there are tons of resources to help to get you started (they are pretty good.) Some free software gets started as a weekend project, and then they get life on their own. Having fewer obstacles translates to more software.
Yes, and there are ten competing offers already, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. Apple makes a one-size-fits-all product.
But you might want to wait for Google's Chrome Webstore that will be coming out later this year. But at the moment it has 0 applications.
No, I don't need to wait for anything. I can write my own software, and if it is of any value to others then I might publish it for other people to enjoy. That's how F/OSS got to having its uncountable number of applications.
Most importantly, Android is business-friendly. You write an application and you use it, guaranteed. Not so with Apple - it will be examined by Apple, and Apple will decide if you are worthy of using it. It may be that your app that you need for your business is clunky, large and breaks Apple experience - you don't care, it's to monitor tire pressure in trucks, for example - but Apple does care, and the app will be axed unless your business pours more money and time into making it "right."
There are many potential uses of phones and tablets in businesses. Tablets, IMO, are best specifically for businesses and not for individuals at home. But Apple doesn't even have any process under which a business would be in control of its software. Android has that. So Android will be the winner on the business side. iPhone may or may not keep its lead on the consumer side, but I personally don't lose any sleep over it - I write only industrial software, and Android creates job opportunities where Apple is not even a player.
I don’t think you can really call iPhones or iPads and especially not iPods computers. They are all mobile devices and like all things you have to make certain tradeoffs for the package.
To me, this is basically a huge quality control thing. If someone’s iPhone or iPad starts having horrible battery life, or becomes unstable Apple will be blamed. Wouldn’t matter that the true culprit is some strange app, it is Apple that is blamed. Most people are willing to make the tradeoff to have a well functioning phone with the allowed apps over being able to go out and find more apps elsewhere. For those who want that, they have a choice in Android.
FWIW, MS is going to a very similar model to Apple for WinMo 7. One app store to get apps from, strict hardware requirements etc. And they only allow you to run approved software on their XBox.
My Dell Axim X50V would like to disagree. I installed several free applications onto it that came from individual, unaffiliated developers. This device is, IMO, smaller and lighter than the iPhone. Still, no tradeoffs required. And it does multitasking too :-)
To me, this is basically a huge quality control thing. If someone’s iPhone or iPad starts having horrible battery life, or becomes unstable Apple will be blamed.
That is just as possible as Ford being sued by a race car driver because his fuel efficiency is not on par with what was on the window sticker :-)
In terms of "being unstable", the last OS that allowed wayward apps to kill it was Windows 95. Fifteen years passed since then; why can't we expect Apple's OS to be in firm control of the applications, just like every other modern OS does? Apple's way is the DOS way.
Most people are willing to make the tradeoff
I seldom pay attention to popular opinion, it is often wrong. It's too easy to coax the public into believing whatever you want them to believe. I think no examples are needed in this forum :-)
FWIW, MS is going to a very similar model to Apple for WinMo 7.
It's because they are stealing Apple's business model :-) MS thinks there is a market for locked-down devices. There is a market for anything, but what matters is the size of that market. Apple is already at the brink of saturating the market with iPhones (who wanted them already got them) and I don't know how many new phones of this type can be sold. Anyway, if MS wants to play this game they are welcome, but they are late and the game is almost over. I don't even understand why an independent developer would want to target WinMo 7 phones at all, unless there is plenty of WinMo 7 equipment out there. So it's up to phone manufacturers to decide how this ends.
I look at success. Apple has 6 times as many apps as all the different versions of Android. And many businesses are using the iPhone. So please do let us all see the industrial software you have written for Android, and let us know how many people are using it.
iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. First mass market Android phones started appearing last winter; Motorola Droid was released some time around October 30, 2009. iPhone had two years of head start, I think it counts for something.
And many businesses are using the iPhone
Most businesses use Blackberry, for excellent reasons. I haven't heard of any business that loaded their own software on company-issued iPhones. And if the business is giving out iPhones just for talk and email, it doesn't count - all smartphones do that. Please wake me up when a business develops, for example, a Bluetooth (or 802.11) app for the iPhone that allows the iPhone to page someone over the speakers in the building.
So please do let us all see the industrial software you have written for Android, and let us know how many people are using it.
In my experience, it doesn't matter how many people are using your industrial software. What matters is how much they pay for that, and whether they are happy. Sometimes I write software to operate unique equipment; sometimes I also build that equipment. I had a contract some years ago to build a device for a single physics experiment; it was loaded with stuff that only this customer could have had any use for.
I don't have an Android phone at the moment, mostly because I'm too lazy to get one, and I have other equipment that fits the bill right now, and I'm also pretty busy on other projects. But if I had the phone I'd certainly put it to some use - for example to operate hardware that I have (and that most people never heard of.) Each copy of such hardware costs some serious money, but apparently it's worth it, otherwise nobody would be buying.
Yes, it does count for something. Apples sets the standard, and they everybody else rushes to catch up.
I don't have an Android phone at the moment, mostly because I'm too lazy to get one, and I have other equipment that fits the bill right now, and I'm also pretty busy on other projects. But if I had the phone I'd certainly put it to some use - for example to operate hardware that I have (and that most people never heard of.) Each copy of such hardware costs some serious money, but apparently it's worth it, otherwise nobody would be buying.
You don't even use an Android. When you get and use it for a while, then let us know.
Apple could simply require that any iPhone application in normal use must not use more than so many mW of power. Easy to verify, and if Adobe's Flash doesn't meet the requirement, back to the drawing board it goes.
As it stands, Flash is banned regardless of how optimized it is. I'm sure if Adobe releases an app called "Flash" that does nothing and exits immediately it would be still banned, just on the basis of its name. On the other hand, if I put together a Tetris game that has twenty infinite loops in twenty threads (do they have threads?) and burns power like crazy, that would be just peachy with Apple.
If you haven't had a freeze and had to restart a smartphone, you are one lucky individual.
I restart my PDA maybe twice per year, and not because it locks up (it never does) but because its Bluetooth stack has a known licensing bug. There is a fix from Dell, but I never bothered to apply it. My phone (LG CU515) never locks up.
Look through iPhone threads and start counting how many people say they are getting one the day it is on Verizon.
It may be that Apple shot itself in the foot when they signed the exclusive deal with AT&T, I think it will expire only in 2012. Android will have plenty of chances to prove itself. Many people use Verizon because of its superior coverage. In several [rural] locations AT&T phone had no coverage, but Verizon phones worked fine.
Can't say I disagree with much of what you say beyond this point. Watch the iPhone market become officially unsaturated this summer when the new iPhone is released. Things like a rumored (certain IMO) high resolution screen, better reception, bigger battery and better camera will have the Apple faithful camping out for a midnight release. Add to it that its the latest greatest Apple product and you won't be able to navigate the streets within a mile of an Apple store in some California cities...
Jobs is not telling you what you can and cannot view... he owns a store and is telling you he will not sell pornography in his store. Simple. You want to require that he sell it in his store.
Your claim is the true Chimera... and that is the true strawman argument, and it is absurd... Jobs is NOT preventing research on any such terms... he is merely preventing the sales of pornographic applications on the Apple App store. That has NOTHING at all to do with what can be searched for on the web, porn or scientific research, it has to do with whether he wants his company to be a purveyor of pornographic material or not. He has chosen NOT.
If I had store, I too would chose NOT.
And the reasons Deagle gives are essentially bogus, wrong, and false to fact... based on ignorance of Macs and their capabilities and the ease of upgrading and use.
Ah come on... MAC is a propriety machine with higher prices for all peripherals and software. I’m not saying it is a bad machine, just overpriced and is pushed toward the young up and coming individuals. Their marketing plan works for them but they would never become the number one seller - and I doubt that they ever expected it. They are in the game for profits.
They sell to a particular class of customer which is just fine, but it is NOT the customer that builds their own computers and upgrades frequently. I have no animus toward the MAC, I just want a cheaper machine...heh.
Late response to an old thread...
Yes, you’re right, I was really speaking to Job’s marketing capability. He does seem to have the ability to draw in the younger and let’s say less computer eliterate of the users. That is not a put-down, just a fact. Most MAC users keep their machines years without upgrading - or if they do, it costs them an arm and a leg...(ie. they have money).
Due to low costs for PCs (ie. Windows machines) upgrades, many enthusiasts upgrade two to three times a year. I am sure that for most MAC users, that would be prohibitive.
Now for some users, a MAC would work just fine - they might not ever outgrow their system. For game users, that would be a real problem.
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