[bushpilot1]

The definition continues: There is no distinction between native born...and..natural born.

Here is the copy of John Jay's letter to George Washington stating..only a natural born citizen be given command of the American Army

Lets go to the Colonial period in Virginia depicting the difference between a native born and an English born immigrant:

"The society that developed in the Chesapeake was so unique that British officials often made explicit distinctions between the English-born and the “natives” or "creoles” born in Virginia.

A trend developed where native-born whites were increasingly singled out by English writers as “natives,” “Virginians,” and “creoles” as they achieved dominance in a colonial government previously controlled by English-born immigrants"

page 11 http://research.history.org/Files/Archaeo/ResPubs/Ethnicity%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf

Obama is not a native, native born or natural born citizen in the US.

[bushpilot1]

http://research.history.org/Files/Archaeo/ResPubs/Ethnicity%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf

[FlingWingFlyer]

I don’t know whether or not he’s a US citizen but I DO KNOW that he’s NOT AN AMERICAN.

[353FMG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxb_vZe7Ao&feature=email

[humblegunner]

Obama does not meet the standards of a native citizen how can he be a natural born citizen.

Amazing! I'll expect this astounding revelation to have him out of office by dark tonight.

No? It won't?

Maybe you should contact a lunatic dentist with this astounding information.

[HerrBlucher]

It was very clever for probammies to deflect this issue to simply citiizenship rather than natural born citizenship. The latter is easily resolved, he isn’t an NBC, the former may be true but we cannot know until we see the long form.

Regardless, this issue will not send him out on his arse.....it would have happened by now.

[anniegetyourgun]

If a female American citizen has a baby in the U.S., does that make the child an American citizen?

[Armando Guerra]

I'll give you a serious answer and that is the Supremes want to avoid this issue like the plague. Unlike the justices in Honduras, the court here will not step in to say the President should be removed.

I for one believe he was born in Hawaii. This is because I am sure Hillary had his FBI file in the back of her closet and it would have come out if he really wasn't. That would end the discussion for the vast majority of people because they interpret "natural born" as being born in the US as opposed, I guess, to being adopted. However, as you are pointing out it is a legal term of art that conveys a different meaning than what is the common interpretaion. The court could agree that it meant born of US parents but no judge is wanting to take that step for fear of igniting riots.

[Retired Greyhound]

Some crackpot judge will deem that his tenure as POTUS qualifies him a citizen retroactively.

Or some such nonsense.

[SpaceBar]

Some persistent freepers have noticed this fact but it seems to get lost in the noise on the various bc threads. By his own admission, Barack’s father was a Kenyan born British national, a foreigner, ergo Barack cannot be a natural born citizen, and was therefore never qualified to hold the office of President of the United States. No verbal contortions or legal arguments can change those simple facts, and it's Obama’s achilles heal. It's also the basis to have Nancy Pelosi ejected from the Senate and possibly face criminal prosecution for fraudulently certifying his eligibility. A crime of monumental proportions has been committed on the people of the United States.

[ml/nj]

Obama is not a native, native born or natural born citizen in the US.

Are you intentionally confusing natural-born and native-born?

Native-born relates to where a person was born. Natural-born relates to who his parents are. End of story. Jay's letter and the Constitution refer to natural-born.

But you refer to native-born. Inquiring minds might wish to understand why you do this? Is it from ignorance, or something else?

ML/NJ

[Seizethecarp]

NBC ping

[bgill]

Obama is not a native, native born or natural born citizen in the US.

That's the understanding of the Kenyan Parliament. See my tagline.

[Blado]

I see the usual Bambi ball-gargler brigade leaders are out today.

Where’s the rest of the Stockholm-Syndrome conservatives?

[tutstar]

bump

[Kleon]

From Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1914 edition):

The term natural-born citizen used in the federal constitution is not therein defined. Its meaning must be gathered from the common law; U. S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. M9,18 Sup. Ct 456, 42 L. Ed. 890.

Citizens are either native-born or naturalized. Native citizens may fill any office ; naturalized citizens may be elected or appointed to any office under the constitution of the united States, except the offices of president and vice-president

[Mr Rogers]

“The 5th section of the 2d article provides, “that no person except a natural born citizen,” shall become president. A plain acknowledgment, that a man may become a citizen by birth, and that he may be born such.”

Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822)

“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”

Leake v. Gilchrist, 13 N.C. 73 (N.C. 1829)

“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”

William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States, pg. 86 (1829)

“It requires all senators to be thirty years old, and prohibits any but a natural born subject from being president.”

State v. Foreman, 16 Tenn. 256, 335–36 (1835).

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I’m not pretending everyone agreed with the quotes above. There are quotes on both sides available from before and after the Constitution was written. I suspect both sides assumed their definition was meant, and that the ‘original intent’ is therefor divided.

In any case, I see no reason to believe that the Supreme Court, over 100 years after WKA, will suddenly rule that both parents must be citizens at the time of birth. If it were to attempt removal of Obama by that slender reed, it would be overturned by Congress - with bipartisan support.

[bushpilot1]

[culpeper]

Nice find, everyone is brainwashed to believe that you have to be simply born in the US. Even if 0bama was born in the US the pos is still not natural born. He spits in the face of true Americans.

[Doe Eyes]

He is a natural born citizen according to the 14th amendment, which was passed to clear this up.

By your logic, and as was the practice in the Southern States, slaves born in America were not citizens because their parents were not citizens.

[Dajjal]

obumpa