[ml/nj]

Obama is not a native, native born or natural born citizen in the US.

Are you intentionally confusing natural-born and native-born?

Native-born relates to where a person was born. Natural-born relates to who his parents are. End of story. Jay's letter and the Constitution refer to natural-born.

But you refer to native-born. Inquiring minds might wish to understand why you do this? Is it from ignorance, or something else?

ML/NJ

[bushpilot1]

Judge John Bouvier, who first penned this Law Dictionary in 1822 states there is no distinction between a native born and natural born.

He defines a native or native citizen: those born in a country of parents who are citizens.

The Judge is defining a natural born citizen and a native born citizen as those born in a country of parents who are citizens.

He states on page 833...there is no distinction (difference- I looked it up) between a native born and natural born.

Both must have parents who are citizens.

[El Gato]

Native-born relates to where a person was born. Natural-born relates to who his parents are. End of story Actually during the fouding period, both "natural born" and native born meant the same thing. And it was not just born in the country, it was born in the country of parents who were citizens. The 1793/97 translation of Vattel, and really the original French too, says:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

The modern usage however has native born merely born in the country, but "natural born" retains it's original meaning, except for after-birthers, who thinks it's meaning morphed along with that of "native". And that might be true for casual purposes, but for Constitutional purposes, it retains it's 1787 meaning.