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To: ml/nj
Native-born relates to where a person was born. Natural-born relates to who his parents are. End of story Actually during the fouding period, both "natural born" and native born meant the same thing. And it was not just born in the country, it was born in the country of parents who were citizens. The 1793/97 translation of Vattel, and really the original French too, says:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

The modern usage however has native born merely born in the country, but "natural born" retains it's original meaning, except for after-birthers, who thinks it's meaning morphed along with that of "native". And that might be true for casual purposes, but for Constitutional purposes, it retains it's 1787 meaning.

78 posted on 05/14/2010 7:11:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

The original uses indigenous, not NBC.

Its use as such existed BEFORE Vattel lived:

“1640–50; < L indigen(a) native, original inhabitant (indi-, by-form of in- in-2 (cf. indagate) + -gena, deriv. from base of gignere to bring into being; cf. genital, genitor) + -ous”

Also: “—Synonyms 1. autochthonous, aboriginal, natural.”


81 posted on 05/14/2010 7:15:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: El Gato
The modern usage ...

No one cares, or should care, what the modern usage is. And Vattel is nice, but he wrote in French. Word for word translations of terms of art might be interesting, but that's all.

We're talking late 18th century English here and the definitive reference for that and the entire history of English word usage is the Oxford English Dictionary. The entry for natural-born there makes it pretty clear that a natural-born subject did not have to be born in England, but only that his parents had to be English subjects.

ML/NJ

136 posted on 05/15/2010 5:04:51 AM PDT by ml/nj
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