Posted on 05/14/2010 3:21:18 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Meandering through my 1928 Edition of Bouvier's Law Dictionary on page 833, Native, Native Citizen is defined:
Those born in a country, of parents who are citizens.
If Obama does not meet the standards of a native citizen how can he be a natural born citizen.
Prove it.
Article 2, Section 2 = Article 2, Section 1
LOL ... so it must be YOU (Mr Rogers) that writes those slanted MSM and Gallop poll questions!
Let me guess ... to YOU, most FReepers must be:
— anti-Choice instead of Pro-Life
— Racist instead of Pro-Immigration Control
— Tea-Baggers instead of Tea Party supporters
Considering that only 41 percent of Tea Party supporters do NOT question Obama’s Eligibility,
you're in an un-winnable battle trying to convince Conservatives of your pro-Obama After-Birther propaganda.
Good luck to ya (not), but be prepared to be connected to another of Obama's EPIC FAIL.
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Nice handwriting, too.
Thanks..but..need link to an online edition..page 833. Want to see if this book is on line..and the definition is altered or the same as my book.
Hmmm....in typical bitter birther fashion, you fail to understand that someone can think Obama was elected President AND be opposed to abortion, gay rights, illegal immigration, and support concealed carry for everyone.
But since no Congressman anywhere, no state legislature, no governor, and no court supports your reasoning, I guess you can’t help but be bitter.
Here’s a hint: If you cannot get the Utah legislature or Arizona legislature to write a law defining NBC as requiring two citizen parents, then you’ve lost the argument.
When you can get Rush, or Ann Coulter, or Sarah Palin to say that Obama is not President because his father was Kenyan, get back to me. Until then, you might need to think about who has failed...
Anyone who is opposed to 0thugga and thinks the question of his non-eligiblity is useless would never bother haunting these threads, nor would they act nasty to the other freepers here.
They would be using their precious time fighting 0bama in other ways and leave the people here to their own discussions.
You are transparent, btw.
“They would be using their precious time fighting 0bama in other ways and leave the people here to their own discussions.”
Sorry. If you want an echo chamber, register as a religion and post on the religion forum using caucus rules.
And I was attacked as a traitor, an Obamabot, a paid Obama employee and a CIA psyops agent within hours of my first serious posting on a birther thread.
Someday, you need to ask yourself why Sarah Palin & Rush Limbaugh believe Obama is the President, even tho they know about his father. Here is a hint: they are not paid by Obama, they are not Obamabots and they are not CIA psyop agents...
And as I explained in my horse picture post, I spend little time on these threads. Right now, my daughter is viewing Thinkwell Biology on food vacuoles 4 feet away, while I finish my dinner. We just reviewed her correspondence course Biology assignment that was returned via email. When I’m done keeping an eye on her (so she can’t start listening to music while pretending to watch biology), I’m going to take Motrin, lie down on the couch and wonder why someone who is 52 feels 82. I know the answer, but it still hurts...
This is just a few minutes, a few times a day.
The horsie pic..saw rubber shoes..no boots e.g. cowboy type...lol
Don't know about you, but I'm a citizen, not a subject. So were the founders. They rejected English common law, except for some definitions. But probably not this one.
The difference is, a subject can never become the sovereign. A citizen is the sovereign. The point of the "Natural born citizen" clause is to protect the nation, that is the people. The point of the Natural Born Subject laws and court decisions was to provide more subjects for the King.
Lots of BS to wade through.
You’re still transparent.
Even though you have a horsie, work outside and have a smart kid.
That is exactly how the law worked until 1866, and modern opprobrium of the practice does not change the law before that time nor the reality of it. A slave was not a citizen because slaves were in bondage. There were a variety of forms of bondage, from what came to be known as chattel slavery to indentured servitude. These were entirely legal, were present for over a century before our nation's founding and were legal for close to ninety years afterwards.
So, you're badly mistaken if you believe the 14th Amendment to have addressed anything other than the denial of citizenship to former slaves who were no longer slaves as a result of the Civil War. They were what they were, and that doesn't get erased because the society changed and the laws changed after the fact. The States made every determination of citizenship themselves, and State citizenship determined citizenship in the United States as a whole, not the other way around.
This was the case from the ratification of the Constitution until 1866 and the ratification of that Amendment. The only Federal aspect of citizenship at all up to that point was a uniform set of naturalization laws under the power enumerated under the Constitution to the Legislative branch.
Speaking of after the fact, the 14th Amendment made citizens of noncitizens. There is no affirmative act of law that can create a natural born citizen after the fact. It is a status that is or is not present at birth. So, the 14th Amendment created citizens via de facto naturalization, therefore there is no precedent regarding natural born citizenship and the requirement of such status under Article 2, Section 1.
Try again.
Am I correct???
No. Obama was born a dual national - both a British subject AND an United States citizen. Thus, the incompatibility with "natural born citizen" [as the Founders knew the term] - as written in the Constitution.
Dual citizenship would hing on where the affirmative action bastard was born. If he was born in Canada or Kenya then his mother could not pass citizenship to him at her age.
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