Posted on 05/14/2010 3:21:18 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Meandering through my 1928 Edition of Bouvier's Law Dictionary on page 833, Native, Native Citizen is defined:
Those born in a country, of parents who are citizens.
If Obama does not meet the standards of a native citizen how can he be a natural born citizen.
Post 228 shows “sujects naturels’ can be translated natural born subject...what does it have to do with anything else? What do you think it proves?
I could understand (or "excuse") a few posts here and there, especially if they bring up a new point that may have not been considered. Those in fact can be viewed as helpful, i.e., helping to hone the argument, refine the details. The problem is, that most (I will not say all) of the posts are the same things over and over. And I very rarely see any that have that "helpful" tone. More often than not there is a very aggressive and damning tone. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
page 794 was from the French Foreign Minister.
please note the heading of the Founders translation..seems to be misleading..can find nothing about waggons..almost passed it over..in the Congressional record..not if it has been tampered..seems unlikely..but..
RS..my files lists 1787 edition..but.nit sure how accurate the infor is..or where obtained.
It makes sense to me. Didn’t used to.
They are doing it a-purpose. Some hirelings, some just regular volunteer leftists, some misfit Richard Craniums for the “fun” of it, some driven by emotion so their children might be eligible (foreign wife). I think there are a fair amount of hirelings/recruits, including former or active duty military for psyops.
It’s clear that they have no interest in finding or helping expose any truth about the subject; instead, obfuscating and muddying the waters, misleading, and de-energizing the debate is their purpose.
None so blind as he who does not wish to see.
You should ask the head Obamabots for another job. Your spin is not effective.
Naturels is in the 1758 French edition.
Sorry, that is a gross over-projection of the fact that the supposed father's status provided a dual loyalty at birth. I honestly can't recall anyone claiming that any decisions are being made based on feudal loyalty to QE2, can you?
2) people waste time and money supporting birther cases going nowhere instead of giving to conservative candidates, and
No one is forcing you or anyone else to post on these threads, nor asking you for any donations that I have seen. I also haven't seen any requests to divert campaign contributions anywhere, have you?
3) it influences folks like Lakin to disobey military orders in a futile hope that a military court will overturn the election of Barry Obama.
I have no reason to doubt that Lt. Col. Lakin's decisions are based almost solely on his own conscience and conscious awareness. Do you really think that a military officer would make such a monumental decision based on what any one is chattering about on either side of an issue?
And the vicious reception of anyone who disagrees with a birther tends to make it personal.
That is a very irrelevant point, and happens to flow in both directions! This isn't about you, me, or anyone else posting here or elsewhere on God's green earth! This is about a struggle against tyranny, being fought on every front possible.
“Naturels is in the 1758 French edition.”
And it was translated ‘natives’, when it was finally translated AFTER the Constitution was written. ‘Naturel’ would translate differently than ‘sujects naturels’, which conveys the phrase ‘natural born subject’...and it could only support NBC IF NBC is the equivalent of natural born subject, and if Vattel had written ‘sujects naturels’ instead of ‘naturels’.
But if you go that route, then you have to deal with common law, with NBS including the children of aliens...which would make Barry a NBC. So you don’t want to go there.
When Vattel first surfaced..the Obamabots..said..hey..the Founders could not speak French..impossible they used Vattel..step by step they twist, warp and change their stories..to fit..the current findings.
Thhe Founders translated naturels to corn, seaweed, cornbread or natural born?
1) The argument of dual nationality carries weight only if there is dual loyalty. That loyalty cannot be to Kenya, because under the Kenyan Constitution, Obama is not a citizen. Therefor, that loyalty must be to the UK, a place he has ZERO loyalty towards. So the whole argument is silly, as I said.
There is no reason to believe Obama Sr had any loyalty towards the UK, and Obama Jr certainly does not.
2) Multiple threads have asked for donations to Lakin, who will get his butt handed to him in court.
3) I don’t know what Lakin thinks he is proving. He is willing to obey all orders except a deployment order, and then wants a military court to examine the Presidential election and then rule on the President’s legitimacy? If Lakin isn’t using drugs, he has no excuse.
He's blind as an Obot.
Thhey translated it to native if by itself...
They’re told what to say.
By your logic, and as was the practice in the Southern States, slaves born in America were not citizens because their parents were not citizens.
post 253 is proof he is an Obamabot.
How is native defined in this dictionary?...natural born subject...
No it did not.
An Obot who is hitting the bottle.
Did so.
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