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Space yacht will be first craft to travel on 'solar waves' as it sets sail for Venus
Daily Mail ^
| April 29, 2010
| Clair Bates
Posted on 04/29/2010 12:56:15 PM PDT by C19fan
A 'space yacht' propelled only by sunlight particles bouncing off its kite-shaped sails is to launch next month. A rocket carrying the Japanese craft will blast off from Tanegashima Space Center on May 18. Once in space the short cylindrical pod will separate from the rocket spinning up to 20 times a minute. This will help it to unfold its flexible 46ft sail, which is thinner than a human hair.
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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: sail; space; venus
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To: Brett66
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posted on
04/29/2010 1:31:36 PM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
To: Yo-Yo
“Nobody has explained to me how a spacecraft can “tack” into the solar wind when it doesn’t have a keel.”
Good point. You need a keel so far as I know. I assumed they worked that out.
Otherwise, it will be a “Space Junk”.
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posted on
04/29/2010 1:32:06 PM PDT
by
Arthur Wildfire! March
(Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
To: Yo-Yo
Nobody has explained to me how a spacecraft can "tack" into the solar wind when it doesn't have a keel. The only momentum the Sun can add to the craft is a vector directly away from the Sun, no matter what angle the solar sail is pointed in.
But you do have a keel, the sun's gravity. The sun is always trying to pull you towards it. You speed forces you into an orbit. By changing the angle of the sail to the sun you can either increase or decrease your orbital velocity. If you decrease your velocity you will spiral inwards until you match orbit with Venus. Then you tack by changing the angle to the sun so that the solar rays cause you to increase orbital verbosity and you head back out towards Earth.
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posted on
04/29/2010 1:33:22 PM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
orbital verbosity
Orbital Velocity. I need to proof read after hitting spell check.
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posted on
04/29/2010 1:34:47 PM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
Yes, you have gravity. That pulls you on a vector directly towards the Sun. Yes you have a sail. That pushes you on a vector directly away from the Sun, no matter how the sail is angled. Assuming that you start from Earth, you also have an momentum at a right angle to the Sun.
I've read web sites that claim if you angle the sail, the sunlight will bounce off of the sail like a ricocheting bullet, and you will get a force vector that is the normal vector of incoming and outgoing rays. If you angle the sail properly, this resulting vector will impart a momentum that will slow your angular momemtum.
This is necessary to slow your orbital velocity so you can spiral in towards the Sun. I say that the sail will absorb more photons than it can reflect, and get a directly outward push.
Have you ever seen a radiometer? Which way do the vanes spin? They spin with the white faces leading, and the black faces trailing. That is because you get more momentum absorbing the light than you get reflecting the light.
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posted on
04/29/2010 1:51:20 PM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: Yo-Yo
This is necessary to slow your orbital velocity so you can spiral in towards the Sun. I say that the sail will absorb more photons than it can reflect, and get a directly outward push.
Except that the push directly away from the sun will be completely swamped by the sun's gravity. Just like the keel absorbs the tendency of the boat to move in the same direction as the wind. If you grab the back bumper of a car that in in neutral and pull up with 70% of your force and push forward with 30% of your force which way is the car going to go. Well since you lifting isn't nearly enough to overcome Earth's gravity the upwards force is completely canceled out. But since the car can move freely forward the much smaller amount of forward force does produce a forward movement. Or put another way you can pull a loaded coal barge by hand, not very fast, but it will move because there is virtually no friction and you are not fighting gravity. But you have no impact what so ever if you were to try to lift it.
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posted on
04/29/2010 2:00:04 PM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
Whether the solar wind force can overcome the Sun's pull is purely a matter of sail area vs. craft mass. The lower the mass, the more velocity a given amount of light pressure thrust will impart on the craft. The larger the sail area, the more thrust is imparted to the craft.
And there is more than just light at play here. There are other particles in the Solar Wind that would impart much more energy to a solar sail than just a photon would.
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posted on
04/29/2010 4:49:14 PM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: KevinDavis
...propelled only by sunlight particles bouncing off its kite-shaped sails is to launch next month. A rocket carrying the Japanese craft...
Bravo for life's little ironies. :')
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:17:51 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: FrPR; BP2; mrreaganaut; Las Vegas Dave; Hell to pay; kosciusko51; stainlessbanner; uscbud; ...
Boring.. I want FTL!!!
For other space news go to: http://www.spacetoday.net
For a list of Private Space Companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:28:22 PM PDT
by
KevinDavis
(Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Did you see the video of the NASA FAIL in Australia with the balloon??
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:30:40 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
To: KevinDavis
Where is my warp engines?
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:34:21 PM PDT
by
GeronL
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To: RinaseaofDs
How does one tie off in space?
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:34:38 PM PDT
by
Delta Dawn
(The whole truth.)
To: davisfh
one of the worst things that you will hear the doctor say is, Sir, the disease that you have is nothing to clap about.
Our USMC Drill Instructors were a bit more concise on the first day of Boot Camp, when we had our "Pecker Check"....
"Awright, maggots! Drop your drawers and skin it back and milk it down!"
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:38:37 PM PDT
by
ErnBatavia
(It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
To: C19fan
Is this the first real attempt at a solar sail craft?
I'm thinking there was a mis-translation of the instructions that were provided following their application to enter the next America's Cup race.......
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:42:54 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
To: C19fan
SPACE WEATHER
Current conditions
Solar wind
speed: 372.8 km/sec
density: 2.7 protons/cm3
Secure for heavy rolls!
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posted on
04/29/2010 5:56:03 PM PDT
by
Delta 21
(If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
To: a fool in paradise
If you go to Venus, can you get a Venereal disease? Not likely - the inhabitants are not friendly.
To: KevinDavis
To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Scientologist Kirsie Alley will want to go.
Cause she’d weigh less on Venus.
Al Gore will want to go to, to protest greenhouse gases.
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posted on
04/30/2010 2:39:48 AM PDT
by
Impy
(RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
To: Celerity
Venus is between us and the sun. Which solar rays are they talking about harnessing here ? like a sail boat, think ‘Tacking’.
in tacking you get the most speed when you are 90° from the wind...
the wind is the sun
you aim for where the target will be, not is. as Venus is directly inboard only for short periods, you (almost)parallel the earths orbit and move inward at the same time.
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posted on
04/30/2010 3:39:47 AM PDT
by
Vaquero
(BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
To: KevinDavis
Just hope this captain isn't in charge of it.
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posted on
04/30/2010 10:16:03 AM PDT
by
wastedyears
(The Founders revolted for less.)
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