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How Christian Were the Founders?
NYTimes ^ | February 12, 2010 | Russell Short

Posted on 02/12/2010 10:01:44 AM PST by Steelfish

How Christian Were the Founders?

By RUSSELL SHORTO February 11, 2010

LAST MONTH, A WEEK before the Senate seat of the liberal icon Edward M. Kennedy fell into Republican hands, his legacy suffered another blow that was perhaps just as damaging, if less noticed. It happened during what has become an annual spectacle in the culture wars.

Over two days, more than a hundred people — Christians, Jews, housewives, naval officers, professors; people outfitted in everything from business suits to military fatigues to turbans to baseball caps — streamed through the halls of the William B. Travis Building in Austin, Tex., waiting for a chance to stand before the semicircle of 15 high-backed chairs whose occupants made up the Texas State Board of Education. Each petitioner had three minutes to say his or her piece.

“Please keep César Chávez” was the message of an elderly Hispanic man with a floppy gray mustache.

“Sikhism is the fifth-largest religion in the world and should be included in the curriculum,” a woman declared.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: christianfounders; christianheritage; christians; foundingfathers; gagdadbob; godsgravesglyphs; onecosmos; ushistory
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To: Steelfish
>>emphatically Christian

Is this?

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Got Morals and Dogma?

61 posted on 02/19/2010 3:21:52 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

There you go again- displaying no idea of the history of gargoyles.


62 posted on 02/19/2010 5:26:48 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
“I think the evidence indicates that the founding fathers did not intend this to be a Christian nation,” says James Kracht, who served as an expert adviser to the board in the textbook-review process. “They definitely believed in some form of separation of church and state.”

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

63 posted on 02/19/2010 5:35:20 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: LomanBill

And where do you think Bush got his MBA from? Why do you seek a serious discussion of political history and then disdain established scholarship from leading historians that can be learned from academics who have delved depply into this issue? or is intelligent information is something you glean from out-of-context remarks transformed into bumper-sticker slogans that then come back to boomerang on you?


64 posted on 02/19/2010 5:41:16 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: TWfromTEXAS

Well observed!


65 posted on 02/19/2010 6:10:38 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
>>And where do you think Bush got his MBA from?
 
 
M.B.A. 
More Bullshyte Ahead



 
 


66 posted on 02/19/2010 8:10:08 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Steelfish
>>There you go again- displaying no idea of the history of gargoyles.
 
There you go again - waddling down the street in your highly edumacated fruit of the looms.
 
Quack, waddle...
 
"During the 1200's when gargoyles first appeared in Europe, the Roman Catholic Church was actively converting people of other faiths to Christianity. Since most people were not literate, images were very important in communicating ideas and telling the stories of the faith. Many of the religious images that non-Christians were accustomed to were of pagan origin and were of animals or mixtures of animals and humans. Integrating familiar images on churches and cathedrals was thought to encourage the populace to accept  the new religion and ease the transition from the old ways and old beliefs."
http://northstargallery.com/gargoyles/aboutgargoyles.htm
 
...SYNCRETISM.
 
 

67 posted on 02/19/2010 8:21:58 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

No, not syncretism- This was the ancient practice of the adaptation of local rituals and symbols- very much like the Christmas Tree or Easter Eggs- to the Great Commission. This happens to this day in Africa, Asia, and South America. To call this syncretism is worst than absurd. It show a misunderstanding of historical practices.

Taking in-depth instruction in a curriculum of studies that spans these subjects would illuminate the mind rather than quick quotes from Wikipedia. Indeed, there are several other nterpretations of gargoyles as part of the artifacts on medieval Cathedral construction.


68 posted on 02/19/2010 10:00:37 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
[This was the ancient practice of the adaptation of local rituals and symbols- very much like the Christmas Tree or Easter Eggs-]
 
All of which are syncretism you vociferous twit.
 
Main Entry: syn·cre·tism
Pronunciation: \ˈsiŋ-krə-ˌti-zəm, ˈsin-\
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin syncretismus, from Greek synkrētismos federation of Cretan cities, from syn- + Krēt-, Krēs Cretan
Date: 1618

1 : the combination of different forms of belief or practice
2 : the fusion of two or more originally different inflectional forms

syn·cre·tist  \-tist\ noun or adjective

syn·cre·tis·tic  \ˌsiŋ-krə-ˈtis-tik, ˌsin-\ adjective

 

 

 

69 posted on 02/20/2010 12:11:03 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Steelfish

There is an easy solution to this problem. Abolish public education. Then the 15 high-backed chairs would not matter. Each kid would get educated at the school his parents hired (perhaps with voucher help, but that’s a separate discussion). The government should not get to decide what’s in textbooks.


70 posted on 02/20/2010 12:24:08 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

[There is an easy solution to this problem. Abolish public education.]

Ding Ding Ding - Winner!

Unfortunately it’s only as easy as getting past the NEA’s union-dues financed political clout...

I wonder what Jefferson would say if he’d known his “general plan” for educating and freeing the masses would be so horribly perverted and ultimately used in direct opposition to that end?


71 posted on 02/20/2010 12:32:45 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

Of course and thank you. What you implied by syncretism was a combination of beliefs. This would be serious and untrue because it would undermine faith. The milder and innocent form of adaptation or inculturation of local customs to convey and enhance the belief is not only acceptable but indeed desirable.


72 posted on 02/20/2010 9:20:19 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
[The milder and innocent form of adaptation or inculturation of local customs to convey and enhance the belief is not only acceptable but indeed desirable.]
 
Desirable?  Desirable to the Indulgence/tax collecting Roman Whore of Babylon perhaps. 
 
There are plenty of Christian sects that get along just fine without poluting the waters of baptism with the local pagan sewage.
 
[What you implied by syncretism was a combination of beliefs.]
 
Isis, Ishtar, Easter, Gaia, Mary - syncretist worship of the mother goddess.  It is what it is, and it ain't Christian, Bishop.
 
The Bity Bunny failed....
 
 
 
Maybe you should try a large wooden badger next time?
 
 
 

73 posted on 02/20/2010 9:46:41 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

What we have here is a stunning display of ignorance which one must expect from those attempting to secure an education from disparate and isolated threads in scanning a random sample of internet sources. Take some serious courses in religious and American history and perhaps a more enlightened contribution to discussions and debates on matters that are currently above one’s pay grade may be entertained.

Having been confronted with irrefutable historical and scholarly data including US Supreme Court pronouncements that America is a Christian nation, one shifts to remarks of Jefferson. When rebutted by the actual conduct of Jefferson one slithers to lack of Washington monuments recognizing our nation’s Christian heritage. When then reminded of the National Cathedral paid for partly by funds from the US Congress and used for commemorating major national events, one scampers to syncretism implying a “fusion” of beliefs. When advised of the chasm of differences between beliefs and inculturation of local practices to enhance faith, the respondent replies with pictorial caricature. Such is the stuff of those used to swimming in shallow waters try to entering the deep end of the pool of knowledge.

Now you see, those of us here on Free Republic who believe in free markets and have endeavored to obtain for ourselves a platinum-plated education at considerable cost and sacrifice cannot continue to educate ignoramuses for free. This is a principle, I’m sure all FReepers will accept.


74 posted on 02/20/2010 10:10:39 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: LomanBill

Thank you.


75 posted on 02/20/2010 10:20:08 AM PST by dbwz (DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC)
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To: Steelfish
[those of us here on Free Republic who believe in free markets and have endeavored to obtain for ourselves a platinum-plated education at considerable cost]
 
 
M.B.A. 
More Bullshyte Ahead




76 posted on 02/20/2010 10:22:31 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: dbwz

You’re Welcome. ;-}


77 posted on 02/20/2010 10:31:30 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

Keep displaying ignorance of comprehension. Getting a platinum-plated education is one thing, what you do with it is quite another. But then again, who would know that this distinction escapes the untutored.


78 posted on 02/20/2010 10:51:27 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Translation: “Bloody Peasant! Shut up! Will you shut up!”

>>Getting a platinum-plated education is one thing,
>>what you do with it is quite another

Well, if your Suuper Genius performance here is any indication, you should ask for a refund, Wile; because you're stroling down the street in nothing but your finely tailored underwear.  LOL!

We American proles will get along just fine without the “leadership” of elitist Fabian Wolves in sheepskin like you, thank you very little.

So don’t let the door of the Republic hit you in your NyLon, RINO ,Free-Traitor arse on the way out.  Please be sure to take your Chinese Communist “Capitalism” with you when you hoist the Union Jack on your dingy and set sail back East across the pond where subjects like you belong.

Back under the authority and rule of the “Church” of Rome/England/[fill in Newspeak name of The Empire here] with you, and GOOD RIDDANCE!

79 posted on 02/20/2010 11:33:19 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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