Ady Gil sinks after whaling skirmish

Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | January 8, 2010

[Greysard]

These Japanese are complete barbarians and are breaking the law.

The hunt is legal in the eyes of the world. I personally might like to say "no" to whaling, but I must not do so because I'm not a marine biologist and have no clue what's really happening.

In any case, such decisions must be made on the intergovernmental level, and not by a bunch of self-important yahoos with an agenda, the same ones who openly brag about acts of piracy that they committed. Even if they are right, their actions hurt more than they help. Who is going to listen to pirates? Will we listen to murderer's excuses that the victim was "asking for it?"

[elkfersupper]

So eradicating this magnificent species off the face of the earth is also OK as long as it “produces a product”?

The best way to insure they survive is to hunt them for whatever.

The more they are hunted, the more progeny they produce.

[ColdWater]

Please present proof that these whales are not endangered then I will give you the argument.

The BBC says that the Antartic Minke is one of the most abundant of whale species.

Please concede your position. Thank you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/whale_debate.shtml

[randomhero97]

Come on now, that’s a lib tactic.

[artichokegrower]

Well yes and no. If you read your NavRules (
US Coast Guard Navigation Rules http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm) they are both at fault.

RULE 8
ACTION TO AVOID COLLISION

(a) Any action taken to avoid collision shall be taken in accordance with the Rules of this Part and [Intl] shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be positive, made in ample time and with due regard to the observance of good seamanship.

(b) Any alteration of course and/or speed to avoid collision shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be large enough to be readily apparent to another vessel observing visually or by radar; a succession of small alterations of course and/or speed should be avoided.

(c) If there is sufficient sea room, alteration of course alone may be the most effective action to avoid a close-quarters situation provided that it is made in good time, is substantial and does not result in another close-quarters situation.

(d) Action taken to avoid collision with another vessel shall be such as to result in passing at a safe distance. The effectiveness of the action shall be carefully checked until the other vessel is finally past and clear.

(e) If necessary to avoid collision or allow more time to asses the situation, a vessel may slacken her speed or take all way off by stopping or reversing her means of propulsion.

(f)

1. A vessel which, by any of these rules, is required not to impede the passage or safe passage of another vessel shall, when required by the circumstances of the case, take early action to allow sufficient sea room for the safe passage of the other vessel.
2. A vessel required not to impede the passage or safe passage of another vessel is not relieved of this obligation if approaching the other vessel so as to involve risk of collision and shall, when taking action, have full regard to the action which may be required by the rules of this part.
3. A vessel, the passage of which is not to be impeded remains fully obliged to comply with the rules of this part when the two vessels are approaching one another so as to involve risk of collision.

The Ady Gil was the stand on vessel as the Japanese vessel was crossing on the Ady Gil’s port side. The Japanese vessel was the give way vessel and should of either stopped or passed on the Ady Gil’s stern. I don’t have a dog in this hunt as I don’t care for the whalers and I definitely don’t approve of the Sea Shepard’s tactics.

[ConservativeMind]

So, you castigate a race this way, “the Japanese are as barbaric as their ancestors in World War II” simply because they hunt a variety of whale, that doesn’t even seem to include “humpback whales?”

I am 99.9% against your racist butt.

[elkfersupper]

Whaling is... unnecessary.

So is cigar consumption and sex with your wife after menopause.

So what?

[randomhero97]

The more they are hunted, the more progeny they produce.

Yes, I'm sure the buffalo feel the same way.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Both the Japanese whalers and the Sea Shepherd crew blame each other for the incident

I have absolutely no knowledge of the incident but without hesitation I can confidently state that the blame rests soley with the green weenies.

[pgkdan]

AND PLEASE SHOW ME PROOF THEY ARE NOT ENDANGERED!

You're the one saying they're endangered. The burden of proof is upon you. Go get educated on the subject and then report back here on what you've learned...and while you're at it, take a pill.

[teeman8r]

because man cannot possibly count all the whales, they must be endangered...

of that i am certain.

/sarc.

my kid loves dinosaurs, alas... he’ll never get to see one... *sniff*

[EricT.]

In this case, the Japanese whalers were harvesting non-threatened Antarctic Minkes.

You’re still emoting like a schoolgirl on her first period.

[worst-case scenario]

The more they are hunted, the more progeny they produce.

This statement really spurs my curiosity. On what do you base it? It's not a fact I've ever seen in any book of either biology or zoology. Any sources, please?

[stormer]

I agree with you.

[elkfersupper]

Yes, I'm sure the buffalo feel the same way.

Last time I looked, there are plenty of buffalo.

You can buy buffalo meat at the butchershop.

I had a buffalo burger two hours ago.

What's your point?

[proud_yank]

No, as I said HUNT ANYTHING as long as it is not in danger of being extinct.

Then what is the problem? I've yet to see anything, other than greenie groups, suggesting that Minke whales are in danger of extinction.

In Alaska, polar bears are listed as threatened and the green groups are trying to list them as endangered. This is entirely political, and the populations of all bear populations in the state are high and in many areas there are too many. There are even groups trying to stop hunting of other bear species too. I see no reason there can not be a drawn hunt on them, the same as Canada or Russia.

The point I'm making is that environmental groups will often times emotionally politicize an animal as being endangered, especially ones like whales or bears since few ever see them, because it generates lots of money for them.

[Dengar01]

Excuse me for not including whalers in my description of Japanese whalers. Ofcourse I am not talking about ALL Japanese. I am specifically talking about Japanese whalers, but you would like to make it into a race issue instead of an issue of Japanese whalers breaking international laws and going off to Antartica to break laws in international waters.

You are a sick person if you are going to dwell down to racism and completely bypassing the entire argument. That is a typical LIBERAL tactic. When all else fails, scream "RACISM".

[ColdWater]

First of all I am a 26 year old male with an MBA in finance. For you dummies that means Masters of Business Administration. So you can take your insults elsewhere. If you really think that it is only Minke whales being culled, then I have a country to sell you. There is video of Japanese cullers slaughtering humpbacks

You may have an MBA in finance but you are totally ignorant on whales.

Minke's ARE humpbacks