Posted on 08/26/2009 12:40:24 PM PDT by kellynla
If Obama's father was a Kenyan then how could Hussein be eligible to be POTUS?
Keeping it alive
Oh, please. If he thought it was illegal, he would have said something. He wouldn't have sworn him in twice.
Further his natural born eligibility is eroded in the definition of allegiance, citizenship and laws that govern you as a citizen of the country from whence you came.
You will find a further definition in the 14th amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Barry's Father was a citizen of Kenya and subject to jurisdiction of said country. In other words he is entitled to or restricted to any conveyance of laws by the country of Kenya.
Barry acknowledges this and apparently no one cares. Barry tells you proudly that he was a citizen of Kenya due to his father's citizenship. It is there in plain view, unabashedly.
Was Barry a citizen of the United States at the time of his birth? The answer is probably no and you will find others who will add to this post, shortly.
Even if he was born here, which is very much in doubt, he cannot be a "Natural Born Citizen" as his father was a Kenyan, making him a citizen of Kenya. If one wants to extend to him citizenship because his mother was born here and was citizen at the time of his birth, again the argument that he is "Natural Born" falls apart and he admits as much. At best he would have a divided citizenship and thus his ability to be President by a clouded birth of citizenship which the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, makes a clear distinction as to who qualifies.
Bottom line is Barry was a citizen of another country at birth and his citizenship at birth is clearly not natural born.
Both Parents are required to citizens of the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. You will find reasons why they could be disqualified as being under the jurisdiction of the United States to bolster your argument but that might be for another time.
Maybe so but, not “Natural Born”
Which Birth Certificate?
He had one to enter the public school system however, the great mystery is why Barry’s and only Barry’s records for Kingergarten are gone. Whut Hahppnd?
What about the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belongings upon here death in 1995. Where is that one?
Where is the Birth Certficate he used to gain an American Passport and get into college? Where or Where?
Maybe according to the laws of a different country. The U.S. Constitution says he is a citizen.
Ohhh!
Well, I don’t believe your citizenship is whole if you have dual citizenship. But I am not an attorney I just act like one.
and Winny was born in....Hawaii...yeah that's the ticket Hawaii....now that means that the British Bulldog was really and American Pit Bull...and believe you me he would have made a better POTUS than socialist FDR and friggin’ day.
Just saying is all.
So why such a great fear in letting the courts look into this issue?
Don’t give me the “they already have” line.
You know the courts haven’t clearly defined what the founding fathers meant when they used the term “natural born citizen” as the requirement for POTUS. Why is that phrase there at all if everyone is eligible?
It’s clear to many who have researched this issue that there is are serious questions and little by little, the research is striking down your talking points.
There is plenty of documentation outside of the Constitution which discusses the founding fathers meaning. Let the courts decide the issue.
The SCOTUS has reached beyond the Constitution many times in order to define the meaning.
You'd like to think that, but you'd be wrong.
There is plenty of documentation outside of the Constitution which discusses the founding fathers meaning. Let the courts decide the issue.
And how's that going for you?
Clearly Barack Obama who is considerably younger than I is someone who is not grounded in the philosophy of citizenship that made the United States unparalleled among nations (the great experiment) - that is, that a US citizen has the obligation of self responsibility, in virtually all things, which consequently allows each and every one of us to be free. It is important to expose his destitution in this, from alien parents to hidden credentials of all types.
In a very real way Barack Obama really is a joke, a sad joke on the United States and all that it is has stood for in world history. It is not like the man himself is an odious person anymore than one's teenage son is an odious person or that Brad Pitt can't be President, but rather that those who put him here are a sinister conspiracy of Leftism. Given that, it is certainly proper that any and all aspects of Barack Obama's qualifications, credentials, and background be revealed, discussed, and judged.
The American people have been asleep, or maybe in a coma of demoralization from which they will never revive; and absolutely anything which can arouse them to consciousness, the consciousness of responsibility and freedom, is warranted. For example, maybe Justice Roberts himself is asleep, it is not unheard of among Supreme Court Justices, and for any citizen to think an attorney, basically a paid prostitute to do the talking, has any greater privilege to interpret the laws by which we all live, then that citizen has forfeited his privilege of life, that is, his freedom.
Your posts are valuable in revealing those who in the past have considered the ramifications of a Trojan Horse entering the fortress of human dignity.
Johnny Suntrade
Obama is a prostitute of sorts, selling goods and infrastructure that were in place well before his election. He has not an original thought and every last bit of legislation signed by him has been outsourced to the pimps in the Congress and the Senate.
This “Health Insurance” scam didn't arise through Barry O. but is a product that been crafted over the years and it's intent and message tightened up by those who will reap the most benefit.
The authors of this boondogle are the ones who will benefit financially while draining our pockets of hard earned cash and exerting ever more control over out lives.
So back to Barry, we fight all politicians we disagree with on many fronts and his constitutionality is but one of them. We also fight against power excerted but, not enumerated in the Constitution.
We fight against the wordsmiths who wish to mangle direct language and original intent by crafting out of whole cloth a new meaning to the General Welfare clause. The definition of the preamble of the so called “clause” is interpreted and defined by the actual enumerations of power granted while the rest are left to the states and individual.
Some on this board say we shouldn't talk about this but lacking proof by Barry O. of his life history why shouldn't we, who also lack proof ask the question: Who are you Barry O.?
We only know of Barry O. and his thoughts by the fellow travelers he has surrounded himself with, his entire life.
And to that we ask again, Does this Constitution have any value to you, our fellow Americans?
If this Constitution is still valuable and valid to you then isn't it incumbent upon Barry O. to provide a record of who he is?
He has already admitted to dual citizenship and no one has any authority spelled out to challenge that fact as a fowl mark against whole citizenship.
Fight on.
He isn’t eligible! Our Constitution must be enforced.
Damn, man, post the question BEFORE criticizing a delay in response!
The Founding Fathers knew that “naturalized” citizens had a different citizenship lineage than someone a citizen for life. They bring a less than complete American experience to the office of President - but there is no office which embodies that experience more completely. “Naturalized” and “President” are incompatible.
They also knew that “native” had the same essential problem, as the USA as a culture amounts to occupying and supplanting another nation & people (”native” Americans).
As for “natural born”: that was written at a time when citizenship was not a bureaucratic formality, as there was no bureaucracy, and there was little time to both establish naturalization for both parents and THEN produce offspring as citizens at birth. If born here as a citizen at birth (not naturalized later, or of an occupied culture) then you’re good to go as President and the American totality the office repesents.
But then there are those with Obama Derangement Syndrome who would reject the Obama’s citizenship under any scenario.
Fair disclosure: I think the Obama was born in Kenya.
His mother was a leftist whore who was into black muslim marxists from Africa.
Just FYI
NO!
A natural born citizen is born in the nation where the parents are BOTH citizens.
You thought wrong. There's nothing in U.S. law that says that.
You have nothing to support your claim. There is no law in the United States saying that. Whoever keeps singing that tune is out of his mind. Crazy. Insane. No law says that. Crazy people say that without any evidence -- not a single U.S. law states that.
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