Posted on 08/02/2009 8:42:48 PM PDT by djf
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The moment obama gets his ducks in a row and the loose ends tied up he will give the word for his deciples to move. When he does it will be: When least expected and sudden, probably around 3 to 5 o'clock in the morning. 2. Overwhelming force will be used. Forget about Congress or any of the State, military, or local authorties taking any steps to prevent it. They have thus far stood by silently while the Constitution has been systemically shredded. The politicians of both parties hold us in the same contempt that the British had for the colonists. The colonists had the guts to change the British from sneers to tears.Do we have the fortitude to change the politician's view towards us? So far the answer is no.
Not so many in soCal and some of them are dirty. Not like the midwest.
Any kind of mass roundup - any kind - would, within ten minutes, be broadcast all over the country. Alot of folks would hunker down, and alot of those folks are ex-mil, ex LE, etc.
Tens of thousands would die within hours. Mostly the folks who are trying to do the roundup.
The American government would never dare go to war with the American people. They’d have their azz handed to them so fast, it would make your head spin!
I’m real inclined this is preparation for civil unrest of some flavor. What, where, who, we don’t know the details. Yet.
FEATe Concerto.
“Since martial law has been declared several times (the earliest was during the war of 1812 and the latest for hurricane Katrina)”
Mind telling us when and where martial law was declared for Katrina? Even further, when and where internment was used?
If I can I intend to make it at least one.
I don’t intend to be roundedup alive.
When you work on the road, you learn real quick where the ‘clean’ ones are.
Examples of Martial Law
Through out United States history are several examples of the imposition of martial law, aside from that during the Civil War.
During the war of 1812, General Andrew Jackson imposed martial law within his encampment at New Orleans, which he had recently liberated. Martial law was also imposed in a four mile radius around the camp. When word came of the end of the war, Jackson maintained martial law, contending that he had not gotten official word of the peace. A judge demanded habeas corpus for a man arrested for sedition. Rather than comply with the writ, Jackson had the judge arrested. After the civil authority was restored, the judge fined Jackson $1000, which he paid, and for which the Congress later reimbursed Jackson.
In 1892, at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.
In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.
In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker's strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.
Martial law and San Francisco were no strangers - following the earthquake of 1906, the troops stationed in the Presidio were pressed into service. Guards were posted throughout the city, and all dynamite was confiscated. The dynamite was used to destroy buildings in the path of fires, to prevent the fires from spreading. Troops were ordered to shoot looters. Though there was never an official declaration of martial law, the event is often cited as such. However, at all times it appears the troops took their orders indirectly from the civil authority.
Though not a state at the time, Hawaii was placed under martial law in 1941, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Many of the residents of Hawaii were, and are, of Asian descent, and the loyalty of these people was called into question. After the war, the federal judge for the islands condemned the conduct of martial law, saying, "Gov. Poindexter declared lawfully martial law but the Army went beyond the governor and set up that which was lawful only in conquered enemy territory namely, military government which is not bound by the Constitution. And they ... threw the Constitution into the discard and set up a military dictatorship."
On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."
There have been many instances of the use of the military within the borders of the United States, such as during the Whiskey Rebellion and in the South during the civil rights crises, but these acts are not tantamount to a declaration of martial law. The distinction must be made as clear as that between martial law and military justice: deployment of troops does not necessarily mean that the civil courts cannot function, and that is one of the keys, as the Supreme Court noted, to martial law.
This story first popped up a few days ago; at the time I dismissed it as “just recruiting guards for Guantanamo or Leavenworth”.
Then I got to thinking about it some more, looked around a bit, and saw that guards at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are either Regular Army or Army Reserve (in the case of Gitmo, that includes their Navy counterparts), not National Guard. I would imagine Leavenworth is Regular Army MPs, also.
Another possibility could be that the NG just realized all their existing folks in that MOS have gotten out to go to work for civilian prisons, but, using California as an example, I don’t think they’re hiring a whole lot these days.
I’m not having a whole lot of luck coming up with a “harmless” explanation.
That would suggest there’s not one.
The question, then, remains.
My view was that the National Guard, while unusually called up to Iraq, is a national defense force and we have no natural enemies that intend to invade us anytime soon. So, this is a force to be used against Americans.
Katrina did not use nor need internment or resettlement, not by a militarized force anyway.
You can split hairs all you want, but if I see an internment camp I am liberating my fellow Americans by any means necessary and I doubt I’ll be nice about it.
I don’t see how they could pull off interning Americans.
They can’t do it fast.
They can’t do it slow.
The only way it could be done is my ostracizing some group so bad that everybody wanted to get rid of them.
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Based on the posting above I’m really feeling that a third book with a GREEN cover is needed to complete the set. I’d like to see it set between Vol 1. and Vol 2., as I love the characters in Vol 1. the most, and there is a pretty big jump to Vol. 2. Just my 2c.
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I'm still forming and opinion on this ad for employment... But, I always tell folks that if they suspect something similar to what you describe above, check the "investor news" web pages of companies that manufacture "field use" blood clotting agents such as would be carried in combat. Corporations always like to brag about their latest government contract they were awarded, as it helps drive up stock prices and increase shareholder value.
Under current circumstances, with reductions in force being planned in both current theaters of operation, an increase in government orders for clotting agent would indicate something else on the horizon. Then you search out what else might be on the horizon. Outside of what I would call "sport wars" (Publicity stunts created to try and make a president look hawkish, such as Clinton's bombing the Yugo factory back in the '90's [was that a good or bad thing, considering the car in question?]) I don't see anything... I'm not saying a threat doesn't still exist on the terror front - just that Obama seems to be pulling away from that. Now, where else would he send troops? That is the question we all would like to see answered, especially with his "openness policy" [/sarc].
I agree with you on the KIA numbers and by whom they would be suffered. Just make sure to remember that when you say "the American government would never dare go to war with the American people" that you take into account some of those in government don't define the American people the same way that you and I do. And those same people carry an arrogance within themselves that makes them believe that all Americans will just roll over and do whatever the government asks of them.
I believe, as you do, that Obama is preparing for some civil unrest... I just don't think that he understands just how much unrest he is going to create. There are too many of us that remember an oath we took about defending the Constitution... But then again that is something to which most of those that would impose socialism on the people can not relate.
Regards,
Raven6
Just trying to brainstorm....
Possible... but there are worse things on the horizon.
There is a new fungus out there, a “rust” that attacks wheat. It can wipe out an entire field in a few days.
We’ve learned along time ago that no matter what we do to try to prevent these types of things from spreading, the best we can do is delay it - not stop it.
When this thing hits the US mainland and Canada, stories about bumper wheat crops and things like bread and crackers might be the type of thing you tell your grandkids. If they can avoid starving.
And in healthcare we have had mandatory training for pandemics just recently.
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