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Toxins may have doomed ancient forests
Discovery ^ | July 14, 2009 | Michael Reilly

Posted on 07/15/2009 7:23:55 AM PDT by decimon

The same noxious compounds released from burning coal and crude oil may have devastated forests and the early dinosaurs that lived in them 200 million years ago.

Scientists have known for decades of a massive dying between the Triassic and Jurassic eras. Life around the world was pummeled by runaway global warming, and scientists speculate that huge volcanic eruptions are responsible, belching vast amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere.

But a new study suggests polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and sulphur dioxide (SO2), two highly toxic pollutants common in fossil fuels, were released in huge quantities and played a role in snuffing out the lush forests of the northern hemisphere along with many species of early dinosaurs.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; creation; evolution
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1 posted on 07/15/2009 7:23:57 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Last gasp ping.


2 posted on 07/15/2009 7:25:41 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Science with an agenda isn't science.
3 posted on 07/15/2009 7:27:07 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: decimon

You see there was this ancient dynasty of cave men (we are going to call them the Bushes)... and they wanted to destroy all the good animals...


4 posted on 07/15/2009 7:28:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: decimon
"...sulphur dioxide (SO2), two highly toxic pollutants common in fossil fuels..."

I don't think SO2 is present in fossil fuels. S maybe.

5 posted on 07/15/2009 7:30:40 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: The_Victor

I dropped my subscription to Popular Science because of their support for glo-bull warming. When they called to ask why I didn’t renew, I told them that they ought to rename their magazine to “Junk Science” if they were going to push glo-bull warming.


6 posted on 07/15/2009 7:31:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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7 posted on 07/15/2009 7:32:42 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: decimon
Scientists have known for decades of a massive dying between the Triassic and Jurassic eras. Life around the world was pummeled by runaway global warming, and scientists speculate that huge volcanic eruptions are responsible,

What a load. Volcanic eruptions are associated with cooling events. And before the global warming hysteria, geologists always considered the warming periods as ideal and optimum.

8 posted on 07/15/2009 7:33:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Paladin2

Sulfur Dioxide is present in fossil fuels. When mixed with water, it forms sulfuric acid. Spotted al gore tried to blame the tree die-off at the top of Clingman’s Dome (the highest spot in Tennessee) to this. The REAL culprit was an infestation of some insect. Completely natural.


9 posted on 07/15/2009 7:33:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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"...sulphur dioxide (SO2), two highly toxic pollutants common in fossil fuels..."

Which is why all our forests died 50 years ago, and once a year we remember the death of the last tree.

Gimme a friggin' break!
10 posted on 07/15/2009 7:35:40 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: decimon

...or maybe (JUST MAYBE) these are naturally-occurring gases due to volcanism and dinosaur flatus.


11 posted on 07/15/2009 7:40:54 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Spotted al gore tried to blame the tree die-off at the top of Clingman’s Dome (the highest spot in Tennessee) to this. The REAL culprit was an infestation of some insect. Completely natural.

In a natural forest, fires periodically clear out old trees. By putting out fires, and allowing trees to get very old, it's easier for infestations like that to take hold.

12 posted on 07/15/2009 7:42:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: decimon
COUGH!


13 posted on 07/15/2009 7:46:28 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: decimon; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks decimon.
Scientists Find Signs of Meteor Crash That Led to Extinctions in Era Before Dinosaurs
by Kenneth Chang
February 23, 2001
Dr. Becker, Dr. Poreda and their colleagues had previously found buckyballs at an impact crater in Sudbury, Canada, and in two meteorites. They have also found buckyballs containing similar types of gases in sediments dating from the dinosaur extinctions.

In the experiments, the scientists extracted buckyballs -- not just the typical sphere consisting of 60 carbon atoms, but also larger versions with up to 160 atoms -- from the sediments with organic solvents.

They then opened the buckyballs to release the helium and argon inside them. The nuclei of most helium atoms consist of two protons and two neutrons. A few -- one out of 700,000 helium atoms in the atmosphere -- are a lighter version, with only one neutron. For the helium in the buckyballs, a much larger fraction -- one out of 5,000 -- was the lighter version, similar to the ratio produced by fusion in stars.

The argon indicated a similar story, with low concentrations of a version that is commonly produced on Earth from the radioactive decay of potassium.

"I think the argon isotope ratio measurement is very convincing," said Dr. Kenneth A. Farley, a professor of geochemistry at the California Institute of Technology. "That's very hard to understand if it's not extraterrestrial."
Global warming my a-.
 
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14 posted on 07/15/2009 7:51:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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New Extinction Clues Point to Deep Impact
by Paul Recer
May 10, 2001
New evidence shows that an extinction event in which more than half of all Earth species died 200 million years ago happened quickly, possibly as a result of an impact from outer space. The extinction, at the boundary of the Triassic and Jurassic periods of geologic history, is similar in its suddenness to two extinction events that have been linked to space rocks' impacts on the Earth. Researchers analyzing deposits from a rock formation on a remote beach front in Canada found evidence of a sharp shift in organic carbon levels at precisely the point in time that the Triassic-Jurassic extinction occurred. This is the first time scientists have found a clear carbon signature for what is called the TJ event, said Peter D. Ward, a researcher at the University of Washington... Similar evidence has been found for the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event 65 million years ago that killed off the dinosaurs, and for the much earlier Permian extinction 250 million years ago that killed 90 percent of all species... If the researchers find evidence that a space rock impact caused the TJ extinction, it will mean that three of the five major extinctions in the 4.5-billion-year history of the Earth are linked to the impact of asteroids or comets... Ward said that no impact crater on Earth has been shown to have a proven link to the TJ extinction event, although the Manicougan Crater in Quebec is considered a candidate. That crater was caused by a space impact, but it has been dated at 214 million years, well before the TJ event.

15 posted on 07/15/2009 7:52:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

It was all them ‘effin’ caveman SUV’s


16 posted on 07/15/2009 7:53:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: decimon

Yeah, like a world-wide FLODD. Water in MASS is kinda toxic.


17 posted on 07/15/2009 7:54:46 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: decimon
Ancient forests did fine. Proof - modern forests.

Just hopeless...

18 posted on 07/15/2009 7:55:32 AM PDT by JasonC
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Yeah, like a world-wide FLODD.

Is that one of them nekkid things?

19 posted on 07/15/2009 8:06:06 AM PDT by decimon
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OOPPS Flood :-)!


20 posted on 07/15/2009 8:10:42 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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