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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: TexConfederate1861
"YOU are missing the point. Secession was legal. I am quite sure that most of the leaders knew that there was a RISK. That doesn’t mean it was a foregone conclusion. "

Sure, you say secession was "legal," but is that what they really believed at the time?

Pal, I'm giving you a chance to shine here -- go for it!
All you need do is produce some quotes for us where Southern leaders are advocating secession, but claiming it will NOT lead to war.

I'm not even claiming there are no such quotes -- only that I've never seen any. That's why I ask.

But in the unlikely event that you cannot produce such quotes, then perhaps you can explain to us how it is that the Southern states seceded, knowing full well it must lead to war, and even started off firing on Fort Sumter, but somehow it's all Abe Lincoln's fault?

I'd say, if you can explain all that, you deserve a lot of credit. ;-)

581 posted on 06/21/2009 8:09:00 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: thatdewd
"Not at all, mein freund. That's absolutely no comparison at all, and the fact that you can't or don't realise that, speaks volumes. My point was that the glorious union heroes went west after the Civil War not just to fight Native Americans and take their land, BUT to exterminate them. Big difference."

Official US government policy was always to move Indians onto reservations, never to exterminate them. Of course, many Indians did not want to live on reservations, and even took a certain delight in hatcheting white settlers, but the policy was the policy.

So now you supposedly can produce some quotes from General Sherman, explaining his policy of killing buffaloes. But I would challenge you to produce even one verified historical incident where US forces massacred Indians on their own reservations.

Of course, if you wish to argue that the US policy of forcing Indians onto reservations was morally wrong -- well, that can be argued. But I'd challenge you to produce any evidence showing this policy was at the time considered tantamount to "racial extermination." or "genocide."

582 posted on 06/21/2009 8:25:53 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: thatdewd
"There weren't that many Native Americans for them to eliminate, otherwise it would. Racial extermination is racial extermination, deal with it."

Nonsense. A complete history of the Plains Indians would show that many tribes moved onto reservations (indeed the "reservation" was already their home) and did not suffer large population declines.

Other tribes suffered as much, or more, from white-men's diseases as they did from "massacres" or starvation.

Speaking of massacres, I'd challenge you to demonstrate how more Indian women and children died from Sherman's massacres than white women and children died from Indian massacres.

583 posted on 06/21/2009 8:42:17 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
"McCoulough's book on John Adams "

Sorry: David McCullough 2001 "John Adams"

584 posted on 06/21/2009 8:44:42 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: RaceBannon
actually, i have NO use for people who post OBSCENE words on FR, in front of ladies & children.

and YES i think EVERYONE on FR should feel the same & should remind "every poster of FILTH", that such language is NOT acceptable EVER for ANY reason whatever ON this forum and/or in PMs. (if that makes me an "immature person", so be it. - i got numerous comments from ladies, that what i said was 100% correct & needed to be said.)

free dixie,sw

585 posted on 06/21/2009 8:47:42 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
"You strike me as" a PROPAGANDIST, who thinks other FReepers are STUPID & believes that we FReepers cannot see past your DECEITFUL posts.

sadly (for YOU), everyone has figured out "your game" & your posts are NOT believed anymore.

free dixie,sw

586 posted on 06/21/2009 8:51:36 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
to ALL: #573 is still MORE nonsense & evasions from N-S.- he doesn't have THE GUTS and/or COMMON DECENCY to either admit that he LIED and/or to answer my questions HONESTLY.

so, i'll continue to laugh AT his PATENT dishonesty.

free dixie,sw

587 posted on 06/21/2009 9:06:10 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
"You strike me as" a PROPAGANDIST, who thinks other FReepers are STUPID & believes that we FReepers cannot see past your DECEITFUL posts.

I don't believe that all FReepers are stupid. Just you. And maybe one or two others, but certainly you.

588 posted on 06/21/2009 10:56:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BroJoeK
The suggestion of nearly 400,000 civilian deaths is beyond comprehension, and demands some evidence supporting it.

It's easy, when you make stuff up as you go along. The more they argue, the more rabid they become, the wilder the claims that they make.

589 posted on 06/21/2009 10:59:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’ll vouch for that, One of them even claims that the Union killed millions of civilians in death camps (like the nazis did).

Even claims that a federal park is built on the site that hide the bodies.


590 posted on 06/21/2009 11:03:42 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
we ALL note that you STILL haven't answered my question. - NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

laughing AT you, N-S.

free dixie,sw

591 posted on 06/21/2009 2:17:18 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra
why HELLO, Turncoat.

PLEASE either DOCUMENT that particular LIE or ADMIT that you KNOWINGLY lied AGAIN.

also, remind everyone of your BIGGEST, intentional, KNOWING lie about being a "staff-member of the New Orleans Confederate Museum", when you FINALLY admitted after several months that you only VISITED the museum & then ONLY as a SMALL CHILD. (that admission made you look REALLY dishonest, FOOLish & STUPID, but then most of us southerners KNEW what you were/ARE.)

laughing AT you TURNCOAT.

free dixie,sw

592 posted on 06/21/2009 2:24:52 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra
evidently, the SOLE reason that the DAMNyankees did NOT kill MILLIONS of southern POWs & innocent civilians was that the technology to do it didn't exist then.

instead, the DAMNyankee war criminals had to confine their WAR CRIMES to MURDERING several THOUSAND prisoners of war, whom they DENIED MEDICAL ATTENTION TO,DROWNED, BLUDGEONED, SHOT, BAYONETED, STARVED TO DEATH, ETC. (come to Point Lookout POW Camp & we'll see that you'll get to hold some of the remains of Confederate POWs in your hands. EVERY time there is a hard rain/flood there, more bones/skulls get "exposed" all over the Point Lookout area. the rangers at the park preserve them until they can be prayerfully RE-buried.)

laughing AT you TURNCOAT.

free dixie,sw

593 posted on 06/21/2009 2:33:24 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

Feel free to prove that I made a statement saying I was a Paid Staff Member of the Confederate Museum any time you want with a link to where exactly you say I said it.

If you can prove it, I won’t just take a vacation like you do ao regularly I will post a thread apologising and asking for a permanent ban from this site.

However if you cannot prove it, like you could not prove I was a Marine Poser, I’m going to be asking that you get another time out for yet another wild accusation you are unwilling to prove against me.

It’s quite simple really your personal attacks against me are going to stop one way or another.

By the way do you remember where the Confederate Museum is and under whose watchful gaze it is placed?


594 posted on 06/21/2009 2:41:45 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: stand watie

Thanks for reminding me that your claims were about Point Lookout.

I had forgotten exactly where you had said the Yankees buried all those civilians you claimed they slaughtered.


595 posted on 06/21/2009 2:47:34 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra; All
it's REALLY quite simple.=====> almost everyone on FR's WBTS threads laughed out loud AT you because of your admitted/KNOWING LIE about being a "staff-member" of the museum, (whether paid or NOT paid is immaterial. - LITTLE BOYS, playing in the floor while their parent(s) VISITED the museum, are NOT "staff-members" of ANY sort.) = therefore, you KNOWINGLY & REPEATEDLY LIED for months about "being a staff-member" & NOTHING you can say will change that FACT.

your REPUTATION is that of a LIAR & your REPUTATION will NEVER be any more than that. = you will NEVER be believed on ANY subject as long as you are on FR, TURNCOAT.

as for me leaving FR for various periods, our family has had several people who have been sick (including me, with the flu for over 3 weeks) or passed away in the last about 18 months. UNLIKE some here, i take my family responsibilities MUCH more seriously than being on "the worldwideweird". (also, we do NOT have computer equipment on the family farm.)

laughing AT you, LIAR.

free dixie,sw

596 posted on 06/21/2009 3:04:33 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra; All
btw, while you're ADMITTING your past LIES, how about admitting that NOBODY on FR , at any time, EVER claimed that MILLIONS died in the DAMNyankee concentration camps.

the number of MURDERED CSA prisoners of war was in the THOUSANDS.

laughing AT you LYING Turncoat.

free dixie,sw

597 posted on 06/21/2009 3:12:08 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

You seem to always be taking these Mercy vacations away from the Free Republic every time you get caught accusing people of being one thing or another or when your rhetoric crosses the liones of good taste....

Why is that Stand?

I’m sure if I get you to blow another gasket and earn an another time out, you will probably buy your way back aboard, and claim that your Maiden Great Aunt Petunia got a nasty ingrown toenail and you spent a month, washing her feet...

The real entertainment here is watching you boil over knowing that without the threads on the confederacy, your only other interest in this forum is centered on whispering sweet nothings to female posters in the hopes that you can some how meet up with them in real life for some horizontal dancing.

I really cannot blame you for that but from what I have been told by some of those you have flirted with your obsession with them is borderline creepy.


598 posted on 06/21/2009 3:32:11 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: stand watie

Stand you yourself claimed that Point Lookout was as bad as anything that happened in Nazi Germany.

Are you going to say that you never once said it was?


599 posted on 06/21/2009 3:41:24 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: stand watie
NO GUTS, NO GLORY....laughing AT you, N-S.

No balls, no brains...summing you up to a tee, s-w.

600 posted on 06/22/2009 4:00:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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