Posted on 05/07/2009 2:58:22 PM PDT by OneVike
The United States of America is really 50 sovereign states in a union and that union can dissolve just like the Soviet Union did. This article will give some possibilities how that break up can occur but there certainly could be other scenarios for this to happen.
The major possibility is that after national elections socialist/liberal/progressive forces take control of the executive and legislative branches of government and soon thereafter the Supreme Court. They then would proceed to pass and uphold every sort of socialist legislation such as: hate speech laws, gun laws, immigration laws, socialized medicine, social activism and secular humanism agendas in schools and places of work, outlawing of home schooling, expanding social give-away programs, passing tax laws that burden the middle-class, implementing carbon restrictions and fees, increasing big brother/nanny state police powers and many other laws and regulations that subvert individual freedoms given under the Constitution of the United States for what they will claim to be the greater good of society.
I can't say whether or not seccession will occur. I hope it doesn't. I'd much rather see sanity restored peacefully. However, I have my doubts as to whether the two dominant political wings are reconcilable. My approach is: pray for the best, prepare for the worst.
good point. Still, plenty of gasoline around for the cremation. Although that's a bit volatile and one might want to use diesel, JetA or kerosene instead.
Got six gallons of diesel reserved, it lights quite calmly.
“California will just join Mexico”
As might some parts of New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas given that scenario
An what happened in Germany in the 1930's? They found a solution, alright.
The threat of nuclear Civil War may strangely keep matters from taking the worst turns. Just like during the Cold War, MAD kept the major players in line, with most of the bloodshed on the periphery.
We are assuming rational actors too, not Mohammedan fanatics. Obama becomes a wild card if he is willing to use nukes to preserve his rule.
They will find the same solution that they did in Germany.
In fact, it is being implemented while we are on the internet. They just have not executed it yet. Pay attention to events in Octorber, November, and December.
Maybe because so far it has a preponderance of big talkers. They'll need people who are willing to use the words “we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor” or people who have none of that to lose. They may get enough of those people with some sort of catalyst or incident. They'll also need people who know how to actually run things. They may have more trouble with that.
Man, is that giving the Devil his due! Never thought of Obummer as a pale version of the fascist tyrant type. :)
“What about the military?”
In the War Between the States many Southerners were allowed to leave the US Military and subsequently fought for the Confederacy.
“OK, each state now has its National Guard. Can’t the president call them to national service and put down any rebellion by a state government?”
Sure, the president can call them. If you mean can he have the National Guard put down a rebellion by a state government when it is the home state of those Guardsmen, that’s problematical. Many or all of them might fight on the side of their home state. If you mean can he send in the National Guard from another state, that could be problematical too. If we’d had the National Guard at the beginning of the Civil War, before North Carolina seceded, would the North Carolina Guard have helped put down the rebellion by the State of South Carolina? I kind of doubt they would have followed those orders.
“Then too, what about the national military already stationed in the states. Couldn’t the federal government use them to prevent states from splitting off (Civil War?).”
I don’t think there are enough of them in any one State if the people of the State get involved, and I doubt the State Government would take action if it didn’t have a substantial number of the people behind it.
During the War Between the States the national military in terms of the Regular Army wasn’t large enough to do the job either. Volunteers from the Northern states bore the brunt as opposed to the Regular Army.
Exactly right. Today most of our "leaders" are opportunists, chameleons, and cowards. They run away from decision making and kick the can down the road (e.g., SS, budget deficit, etc.). They refuse to take a controversial position. They bow before political correctness. They are more interested in themselves than their constituents or their country.
Now, if there was a movement with a real leader who had traditional values, integrity and bravery, that would different altogether. People could get behind that kind of leader.
I read today that Maine is one more northeastern state that is in the process of legalizing homosexual marriage.
I am ready for a separation of the states. I live within the very red section of the country. I do not want to be in a country where the majority is blue and gives us the likes of Zero, Kennedy, Sanders, Leahy, Franken, et al.
Let us part peacefully. Any state that wants to leave has the inherent right to do so, otherwise it is tyranny.
OK so what about Fort Bragg? Or say Parris Island, military training bases have lots of troops ... So what if North Carolina wants to leave the Union? Same thing all over again?
“It only happens when states start refusing orders from Washington. But theoretically, all that does is return us to a 10th Ammendment America, which is to say, America as it is supposed to work.”
True...but what makes you think that Washington will roll over when their laws are ignored? I mean, why would they respect the 10th Amendment while ignoring the other 9?
“I agree that we are near hopelessly divided. But since much of these things are already in progress or done, why isn’t the secessionist movement father along?”
Because we have our Plasmas. That simple. Take away the Plasmas and turn this country into Third World status, you will have revolt...it is assured.
Thanks OneVike
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