Posted on 03/24/2009 7:17:49 AM PDT by BronzePencil
Fun website that describes firearms used in movies, tv, etc.
For example, this is from the Saving Private Ryan page:
Perhaps the most commonly seen weapon in the movie, the M1 Garand is used by the majority of the U.S. soldiers seen in the film. The M1 Garand is easily identified by the characteristic ping it makes ejecting its clip after the last round in the en bloc clip is fired. Based on the way everyone can hold these weapons easily, they seem to be light weight models for easy handling in the film, which cuts the realism down a bit.
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Interestingly enough, I have long understood that Spielberg has a large collection of machineguns including automatic cannon.
Sorry - I wasn’t trying to hijack the thread. One of the best gunfight with rifles movies was Heat with DeNiro (lib), Pacino and Val Kilmer (dope smoking fat lib).
The shootout in downtown LA had M-16s/ARs and Pacino I think had a FN FNC 5.56 mm. Some people thought it was a CETME.
Here is a cool wiki site on the guns used in Heat. Good movie except one scene at the start of the movie was not cool. I will not mention what happened here in case someone wants to rent it.
I think the SEALS use the updated M-14 plus other units are using it for longer ranges plus suppression. So you got the long range plus extra ammo.
Suppoedly, during Nam, the MVA and VC avoided the Aussie troops (yes Aussies had troops in Nam) becuase they carried FAL FN’s with 20 rounds of .308. A bigger rifle to hump in the jungle but more firepower than the M-16 and probably better relibility.
McNamara should burn in hell.
“One of the best gunfight with rifles movies was Heat with DeNiro (lib), Pacino and Val Kilmer (dope smoking fat lib).”
I agree, they had some good technical advice on that movie. Everything about that shoot out is realistic even down to the combat techniques used. Good stuff
They use very light models for the movies. They do this with swrods also. In “The Robe”, one of the fight scenes is done with aluminm swords. I started laughing when I heard the “tink,...tink ..tink” of the swords. “The Three Musketeers” used steel swords and they dueling in the movie was quite realistic.
Many times you can tell by the way the swords are handled as the aluminum swords are constantly in big motion, the steel are considerably slower.
</former fencer off>
I recently watched Saving Private Ryan for the first time, and I honestly wish I hadn’t. It was too disturbing. I was happier when I didn’t have any realistic war nightmares. I was lucky to never fight in a war. Why do I want the nightmare experience if I have not been called to duty? What’s the point? I honestly wish I hadn’t seen it.
Spielberg and Hanks hate America, the Second Amendment, support Obama and baby killing plus Hanks is a bogot who hates Mormons and is pro gay marriage. They can go to h*ll. They are cashing in on the greatest generation and they WILL try to disarm Americans in support of Obama. They are pro-tyranny scum.
We need to airbrush the guns out of the movie. Speilberg did that to the original E.T..
Liberals are sick people .... .
Spielberg wants guns but he is a big supporter of Obama and wants to make sure any guns you own are taken away from you.
The marxist, Islamo-facists like O think we are all sheep. The Spielberg lovers here make me think the Kenyan-born Muslim is right.
In the sandbox the M14 type of rifles fill in the requirement of the mid range one shot kills that the .556 would be at its limits. The 60’s era thought was that the enemy would tie up resources for wounded combatants, thus the M16 and its smaller bullet was evolved into use. However modern day enemy have no such regards about saving their fellow soldiers so wounding one only gives them some extra time to shoot some more or be a suicide bomber.
The .308 with a nominal 150-168 grain bullet is many times more powerful than the .556 or even the 7.63x39.
excuse me, the 7.62x39
It was pretty incredible. When I saw Pacino’s FAL - I said “I want one.”
Good post. One of the reasons I want one of these:
http://www.dsarms.com/STG58-Austrian-FAL/products/9/
Or these but they have gotten expensive:
http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-Original-Series/products/35/
This looks pretty close to what Pacino had in “Heat.”
http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Carbine-Rifle-308-Cal/productinfo/SA58C16/
If you have the money get a Springfield Armory M1A, SOCOM is the most popular then the loaded model and then the National Match.
I have a standard with a Leupold Mk 2 tactical scope.
The “ping” is not that loud so you have to be fairly close to hear it and GIs generally are not alone. Moving to get the “one” places you in the sights of the others.
The clip makes more noise bouncing on the cement - if you're on a range - than the system does as it ejects the clip.
I like shooting my Garand and have been on the range a few times with a number of others. While you can hear your own weapon's “ping” and a table or two to either side it's hard to hear the “ping” four or five tables over.
Actually, soldiers brought into the European theater had to be retrained for the range-standard practice of “fire control”. They weren’t putting lead down range and supporting maneuver. They had to be trained to let loose with supporting and suppressing fire, which is the opposite of their basic training.
You don’t take buildings, let alone cities, but waiting for the perfect opportunity to print a 2” group at 200 yards.
You create a base of fire with significant volume, which enables the maneuver element to advance upon the objective.
This practice has been proven, far above purely aimed fire, to get the job done.
-—and of course, the “ping” is of little or no consequence noise-wise when you have just fired 8 rounds of ‘06’s-—
I have seen Saving Private Ryan exactly one time.
It revived a lot of unpleasant memories.
A possible unintended point of the movie is to give those who have not been called or chosen to serve a faint appreciation of what it can be like.
I always thought it funny that for Leftists, the Hollywood crowd seems to gravitate to the most esoteric handguns possible. To me there is nothing worse than a chromed Desert Eagle. That handgun reeks of Hollywood idiocy.
I saw ‘Knowing’ this weekend and Nick Cage goes out and buys a handgun. What was it? Some type of low production run Lew Horton N-Frame snub with fingergroove combats. Yep those are dime a dozen.
Thats very true, of course every theater of war has new tactics. One of my favorite authors Harry Turtledove wrote a book “Guns of the South” and it was the fictional story of modern day soldiers supplying the Confederacy with AK 47’s and how they had to change the training of using the weapons of that period.
I would be interested and may jump into some research about the near future use of man carried laser weapons and the effective usage of speed of light impacts with zero trajectory loss, the advantages in mass attacks, suppression and counter defensive weapons such as smoke, mirrors and reflective chaff. Also the effective use of it as long range sniper shots. I can easily imagine camera images with selected targets much like a fighter pilot that automatically follows the target and can do near simultaneous multiple shots.
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