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What? I thought it was well-accepted that she Macedonian. There's at least one coin that survives with her profile. It's clearly a European honker.
This is very interesting. Thanks for the post.
Ptolemy wasn’t made ruler of Egypt by Alexander. When Alexander died, Ptolemy, being smart, stole the body and along with a portion of the army, fled to Egypt where he set up shop as head duomo.
Bleh, looks like some Long Island housewife to me.
And there’s no statute of limitations on murder!
Meaning Arsinöe's presumed ethnicity may well have no bearing whatsoever on Cleopatra's.
Heh... I *am* the thread police...
Found: the sister Cleopatra killed
The Times | March 15, 2009 | Daniel Foggo
Posted on 03/15/2009 2:18:56 AM PDT by BlackVeil
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2206883/posts
Skeleton of Cleopatra’s Murdered Sister Identified
Fox | March 15, 2009
Posted on 03/15/2009 3:13:37 PM PDT by RDTF
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2207177/posts
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There’s a wonderful novel by Margaret George called “The Memoirs of Cleopatra,” which sparked my interest in the subject. Mostly fiction, of course, but Arsinoe is a main character and her death is detailed.
Murdering witch, she got hers though when Octavian had her son whacked.
More fictional claims that try to pass themselves off as ‘science’. Neither Cleopatra nor her sister nor her mother were of ‘African’ origins. They are basing their this dubious claim that she was ‘mixed’ on the SHAPE of a SKULL that they do not have, not DNA evidence. The crucial skull, on which the ethnic arguments are based, is lost. No skull to conduct facial reconstruction and those they used based upon measurements from a century ago any professional would tell you are bogus. You need the actual skull or at least cast of the skull to conduct facial reconstructions. Their only ‘claim’ that she was ‘African’ is based upon the supposed ‘long shaped skull’. I hate to break it to them but long shaped skulls are also common among many other ethnicities including southern EUROPEANS, the TRUE origins of Cleopatra, her mother and her sister.
Lastly, they are forgetting the fundamental reason WHY her mother COULD NOT have been of ‘African’ or native Egyptian origins: because the only way a Ptolemy inherits the throne was if the mother had a direct blood descedant to the Ptolemiac Dynasty, and a phantom ‘African’ or a native Egyptian woman would NOT have a direct bloodline to the Ptolemiac Dynasty because she would NOT be of Ptolemaic royalty. The Ptolemaic Dynasty followed the matrilinear nature of succession, a system in which one belongs to one’s mother’s lineage; inheritance of property or titles through the female line, and some phantom “African” or native Egyptian DID NOT HAVE lineage of property to the Ptolemaic Dyansty. This is why extensive inbreeding matings occurred in the Ptolemaic Dynasty to prevent pretenders to the throne when they tried to bolster their claims by marriage to a sister. Such marriage though lead to amphimetric among different male relatives over the blood related female relatives of the Greco-Macedonian Dynasties.
The Ptolemaic Dynasty followed the matrilinear nature of succession, a system in which one belongs to one’s mother’s lineage; inheritance of property or titles went thru the female line, and femaled had to have been of Greco-Macedonian lineage or else any children or grandchildren were not viewed as part of the Ptolemaic lineage. Similar to the ancient Hebrew matrilinear system where one can only claim being ‘Jewish’ if ones mother was Jewish. So there is no way Cleopatra, her sister nor her mother were of ‘mixed’ African or native Eygptian origins.
Archeologists have recently determined that Arsinoe’s death was, in fact, due to an ancient form of Covid-19.