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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Obama Is Said to Consider Preventive Detention Plan (Flush the Constitution!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2255496/posts

I wonder who they are classifying as “terrorists”?<<<

I saw the list [joking], we are on it.

So are all the other red blooded Americans who are not brain dead.

When o took over, I felt sorry for President Bush, watching his work destroyed, not now, for he is laughing his self into fits, as he watches the fools embrace what he was smart enough to set up.


8,101 posted on 05/21/2009 4:22:49 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Interesting threads, several that i missed and they do show that others are asking questions about the flu:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/bioterrorism/index


8,102 posted on 05/21/2009 4:25:10 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

The newsletter is so good that they will not publish it after June.

They are funded by the gov and my guess is obama cut the funds.


8,103 posted on 05/21/2009 4:27:10 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; CottonBall; DelaWhere; upcountry miss
REASON There may be dead worms mixed in with the product.

That's why I like to can and freeze my own.

8,104 posted on 05/21/2009 4:38:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oaget002.php

CASTRO’S TERRORIST CONNECTION

By Ernesto F. Betancourt

As soon as the attack on the World Trade Center took place, Castro started to take a dual position. He rejected terrorism, as well as the American potential reaction to it. He even gave assurances that under no circumstances would he resort to terror against the American people. Now, can we believe that? From the beginning of his regime, Castro has resorted and consorted with terrorism and has invested substantial resources in terrorist plans against the US.

During the insurrection, Castro kidnapped Marines from the Guantanamo Naval Base and other civilians and kept them as hostages. Once in power, he started supporting all kinds of groups that resorted to terrorism in their political efforts to seize power. Havana became a Mecca for terrorists. An organization called the Americas Department was established, first in the Ministry of Interior and, when the Soviets objected to their activities, it was transferred to the Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba and attached to his office as Secretary General.

Continues, an excellent article of Cuba and terrorism......


8,105 posted on 05/21/2009 4:39:38 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: metmom

REASON There may be dead worms mixed in with the product.

That’s why I like to can and freeze my own.<<<

Does home canning give more food value to the worms?

[Joking]

Home cooked/canned is the best and only way to go today.


8,106 posted on 05/21/2009 4:48:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

LOL!!!


8,107 posted on 05/21/2009 4:51:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Momaw Nadon; Mrs. Ranger; Squantos; wafflehouse; pbmaltzman; WKUHilltopper; dusttoyou; PLMerite; ...

Granny posted some really good recipies yesterday: Marvelous Mushrooms, Green Onion and Potato Soup, CROCKPOT BAKED STUFFED APPLES, and my favoriteStuffed Cabbage Rolls. Good links to FR news threads.


8,108 posted on 05/21/2009 5:15:41 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I’m sure he already has a cell ready for me and mine.......a whole bunch of gun-totin’, bible thumpin’, self-reliant patriots.

Bless you, Granny, for keeping this thread going. It is priceless.


8,109 posted on 05/21/2009 5:33:07 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: nw_arizona_granny
This is a dream I have been pursuing all my life and now it looks as if I might be able to afford to build my dream home for real I was green long before it was trendy or hip to be so. My retirement home has to be super insulated, virtually maintenance free, and strong enough to weather any storm ignore any fire and laugh at any earthquakes. There is only one form of construction that fits that bill: Think HOBBIT and you'll be in the right neighborhood.

I had a tough time convincing the wife until she saw the first movie in the Lord of the Rings trilogy and since then she loves the idea. I can even plant a crop on my roof if I want. Look around the site, it's pretty spectacular. These homes don't have a high resale rate and I don't understand why they're not wildly popular considering the benefits.

For example the home maintains a temperature of 72 degrees, year round, in any climate, and does so naturally without any external energy expended. Pipes never freeze. Average monthly energy costs (depending on the region) average about $40 a month and the bigger your home is, the more energy efficient. These home are even designed to be 100% Off the Grid.

8,110 posted on 05/21/2009 7:02:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

First, welcome to the thread...

Construction looks quite flexible - pretty neat...

Are they gunite (blown - high density concrete)?
I have seen some gunite structures actually blown onto inflated rubber forms. Absolutely stronger than you can imagine.


8,111 posted on 05/21/2009 8:10:12 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: metmom

It totally blows my mind that we depend on China (where just a few years ago they couldn’t feed their own population) for such a low value product as string beans.

Guess it is a supply thing... There used to be many canneries around here, but over the years they have gone by the wayside. I can think of at least 6 within 20 miles of here that have closed in the last 25 years. So, I guess we have to depend on others to eat.

Of course some of us don’t as we grow and preserve our own.

Oh, my string beans are up!


8,112 posted on 05/21/2009 8:16:40 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: appleseed

Thanks for the ping!

(I always forget about this thread.)


8,113 posted on 05/21/2009 8:34:40 PM PDT by Califreak (Stammer Lee, TOTUS and Beltway Bob have turned 1600 into a circus)
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To: appleseed

100 Items to Disappear First

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm


8,114 posted on 05/21/2009 9:21:38 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: DelaWhere
I don't know if gunite is the exact material. They call it (IIRC) SHOTCRETE. It sprays on with a thick widemouth hose directly onto rebar covered with a waterproof sheeting. Then another coat of the waterproofing is applied.... I think gunite is the material used in this structure that also interests me but it is somewhat higher maintenance. Here is a good example of a monolithic dome home.
8,115 posted on 05/21/2009 9:24:31 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: DelaWhere
I think this is the thing you're talking about right HERE
8,116 posted on 05/21/2009 9:28:21 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

For gunite, they mix dry portland cement with sand and gravel in the proper oroportions, then meter it through a hose with high pressure air. When it reaches the nozzle, they mix it with water. Shotcrete I believe may be shot wet. That means that you have to shoot the whole batch pretty quickly before it sets up.

The shooting is under pressure and makes it a much denser product and it is harder. If you seal that from moisture, it will last many generations.

Was wondering what they were using for insulation as the R value is fairly low for dense cement.

That process has been used for both swimming pools and for ship building. (there are quite a few ferrocement ships out there.) I have seen very large swimming pools lifted out of the ground by flooding - they come out of the soil all in one piece and have been known to float away.


8,117 posted on 05/21/2009 9:42:17 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: appleseed

Thanks Appleseed!


8,118 posted on 05/21/2009 10:12:26 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

That stuffed cabbage looks really good, bookmarking.


8,119 posted on 05/21/2009 10:16:47 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

More on soy/baby formula:

http://www.naturalnews.com/z026315.html

Martek Biosciences, Infant Formula and the Toxic Solvent Hexane - a NaturalNews Investigation

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) In 2003, an explosion occurred downstream from the Martek Biosciences manufacturing facility where hexane is used to extract DHA used in infant formula products. Hexane is a highly explosive chemical, and a Kentucky State Fire Marshal concluded it was the release of hexane from the Martek manufacturing facility that caused the explosion.

As contained in SEC documents on the public record (http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRq.2178.d.htm):

COLUMBIA, MD, April 8, 2003 – Martek Biosciences Corporation (Nasdaq: MATK), today announced that it has received a report from the Office of the Kentucky State Fire Marshal that concluded that the explosion that occurred in March, 2003 at a wastewater pretreatment facility in Winchester, KY resulted from the introduction of n-hexane, a class I flammable liquid, into the local sanitary sewer system. The Fire Marshal’s report did not rule out other possible contributors to the explosion.

Martek utilizes n-hexane in its production process at the Company’s plant in Winchester, KY, and the Fire Marshal has concluded that inadvertent discharges of hexane from Martek’s plant had resulted in elevated levels of n-hexane in the sewer system. Martek has taken measures to insure that no further n-hexane is emitted into the sewer system. Production at the facility has not been negatively affected by these events.

In other words, Martek released volumes of hexane that were sufficient to cause an explosion. This brings up the question: What is this company doing with all those explosive chemicals in the first place?

The answer, by the way, is even more incendiary than the chemical itself: They’re making oils for infant formula!

Permission to pollute
Martek is also on the record applying for permission to pollute hexane from the Commonwealth of Kentucky Division of Air Quality. As shown on this Google search of a PDF document (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...), Martek agreed to limit hexane emissions to less than 10 tons per year in order to avoid the classification of a “major source” for Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs).

The document also explains how Martek processes DHA using hexane: (bold added)

The Martek Biosciences facility in Winchester produces two single cell oils, each of which is enriched in a specific fatty acid. One is a triglyceride oil enriched in DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) derived from a marine microalgae (DHASCO®) and the second is a triglyceride oil enriched in ARA (arachidonic acid) derived from a common soil organism (ARASCO®). The process begins when a biomass is produced through cultivation of a starter seed culture, particular to the oil to be produced, in a series of increasingly larger fermentors. After the final fermentation, in the case of the marine algae, the biomass is spray dried. The ARASCO® biomass must be dried through other means at a toll processing facility. The oil is extracted from the dried biomass using a hexane extraction process. The oil is winterized, refined, bleached, and deodorized to produce the final product.

In order to avoid classification as a major source for Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAP) as defined in 401 KAR 63:060, Section 1, Martek has accepted limits of 9.0 tons per year (tpy) of total source-wide emissions of any individual HAP (on a rolling twelve month basis) and a source-wide limit of 22.5 tpy of total combined HAP emissions on a rolling twelve month basis.

Are these oils even good for infants in the first place?
In a report released this week called Behind the Bean (http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/s...), the Cornucopia Institute raises serious questions about the possible health effects of Martek’s oils found in infant formula products.

As discussed in a January, 2008 press release by the Cornucopia Institute:

“...Laboratory-produced DHASCO and ARASCO (Martek’s names for their proprietary oils) are materially different from the fats found in a mother’s breast milk. Martek’s products are extracted from fermented algae and fungus, with the use of the neurotoxic solvent hexane. They contain only 40 to 50% DHA and ARA, with the balance from sunflower oil and other components, including some not found in human breast milk and never before a part of the human infant diet.”

Here are some additional quotes from food and health experts, as published by the Cornucopia Institute:

“While infant formula manufacturers claim that these oils are perfectly safe and necessary for proper development, our report provides a more detailed picture. We investigated how a toxic chemical is used as processing agents in the manufacturing process, the inadequate testing for safety, and most importantly, how some infants are experiencing serious adverse reactions from formula supplemented with these oils.”
- Charlotte Vallaeys, Farm and Food Policy Analyst, the Cornucopia Institute

“It’s true that DHA and ARA are important nutrients for developing infants—that’s why they’re found in human breast milk. But we have also seen that some infants are experiencing side effects like diarrhea from consuming the manufactured DHA and ARA oils in formula.”
- Jimi Francis, Ph.D., a biochemist specializing in DHA in infant nutrition at the Allie M. Lee Laboratory for Omega-3 Research at the University of Nevada at Reno

“This report presents a disturbing look at the novel ingredients in infant formula. The FDA has received scores of adverse reports on effects of these ingredients, but, to date, the public’s only access to these is through Cornucopia’s Freedom of Information Act request. This report will help alert the health care community and federal agencies.”
- Marsha Walker, Executive Director of the National Alliance for Breastfeeding Advocacy.

“When I worked in the hospital’s neonatal ward, the nurses all called it ‘the diarrhea formula’. We’ve seen infants, tiny little humans, with diarrhea that just wouldn’t stop after being given this formula.”
- Sam Heather Doak, LPN, IBCLC, Marietta, Ohio

(http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...)

You can read more about this issue in the Cornucopia Institute’s special report, Replacing Mother: Infant Formula Report at http://cornucopia.org/index.php/rep...

The truth about infant formula - a Health Ranger opion
The sad, disturbing truth about all this is that the infant formula industry has, for decades, engaged in highly deceptive marketing practices that sought to replace healthful human breast milk with harmful, factory-made infant formula products in order to generate profits.

These corporations can’t make money off mothers’ breast milk, but they sure can earn big bucks off a canister of processed, chemically-contaminated cow’s milk proteins, high-fructose corn syrup and various chemical additives. Some of the most outrageous crimes ever committed against the people of developing nations, in fact, have been committed by the infant formula corporations who actively sought to teach uneducated women that “breast milk is bad” while insisting that “modern women feed their babies formula.”

Martek’s role in all this is murky: On one hand, the company is providing an oil that’s theoretically good for children’s health, but on the other hand, this oil is from an algal source and it’s extracted using an explosive toxic chemical that undoubtedly causes harm to our environment. (Hence its designation as a Hazardous Air Pollutant by the EPA.)

Even if there’s no detectable contamination of the finished DHA product with hexane, I still would not want to feed my baby an ingredient whose refining results in the release of toxic chemicals into the environment. Would you?

I don’t trust any of the conventional infant formula companies. Even the so-called “natural” soy protein infant formulas may be contaminated with hexane residues — see our previous report on hexane in soy protein here: http://www.naturalnews.com/026303.html

If you’re looking for truly natural, organic and environmentally-conscious infant formula products, look for the USDA Organic seal on the products (if you’re in the U.S.) and really check out the companies behind these products. I know that Genesis Organics (www.GenesisOrganics.com) makes a great goat’s milk formula. The Cornucopia Institute’s “Replacing Mother” report also contains a wealth of additional information on this topic: http://www.cornucopia.org/2008/01/r...

The bottom line? Do your homework before feeding formula to your baby. There’s a lot of deception in the infant formula business (as 10,000+ families in China recently discovered with melamine), and it seems that the bigger the company, the lower the integrity of their products (although there are exceptions to this rule of thumb).

Whatever you do, don’t automatically trust natural-looking labels and health claims. Some rather nasty infant formula products are, in fact, framed in precisely the language of “natural” and “organic,” even when their ingredients are from questionable sources.

And above all, remember this: The best formula in the world is mom’s breast milk! Absolutely nothing beats it. In fact, nothing even comes close. The most organic, high-integrity, nutrient-dense “formula” product in the world is but a pale shadow compared to the raw, living mother’s milk produced by your own miraculous body (if you’re a mom, that is).


8,120 posted on 05/21/2009 10:20:35 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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