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Sunken Relics Promise to Unlock the Secret of How Victory Met Her Doom
The Times ^ | February 7, 2009 | Frank Pope

Posted on 02/08/2009 6:15:41 PM PST by nickcarraway

With its thruster motors fighting the current, the submersible pushed through a blizzard of sediment. Far above, in a darkened control room, the robot's operator squeezed his eyes shut to push away the fatigue. Making three dives a day, he had lost count of how many times he had approached suspected wrecks only to find a clump of ferrous rocks or junk from a ship. This time it would be different.

The announcement this week that Odyssey Marine Exploration, the world's biggest commercial shipwreck exploration specialist, has discovered what appear to be the remains of HMS Victory has caused a sensation. At the time of her sinking in 1744, the Victory was the most powerful warship in the world and was the immediate predecessor of Nelson's flagship now berthed at Portsmouth.

The 240ft Odyssey Alert had towed high-frequency sonar and sophisticated metal detectors across the search area, identifying anything that did not appear to be natural. Odyssey Marine had surveyed about 4,700 sq miles (12,170 sq km) of ocean floor in the Western Approaches of the English Channel alone. Then the 251ft Odyssey Explorer arrived with the robot Zeus to take a closer look with cameras.

About 270 wrecks had been found so far, but on paper this latest target did not appear to be important. Then, into the glare of Zeus's halogen lamps, loomed a huge bronze cannon. “It was pretty amazing,” said Greg Stemm, Odyssey's chief executive. “We knew the Victory was out there somewhere, but we were expecting this 110-gun ship to look huge — but it was a tiny reading. We almost missed it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Local News
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; shipwreck

1 posted on 02/08/2009 6:15:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve been watching this on the Discovery Channel, pretty neat..


2 posted on 02/08/2009 6:20:30 PM PST by pnz1
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To: nickcarraway
Then the high-definition lens came upon the first of the enormous bronze guns. Iron reacts with seawater to form bulging, misshapen concretions, but bronze survives well.

Historian Arthur Herman directly attributes Britain's ability to forge bronze cannon with her domination of the seas and, as a result, her empire. Pick up To Rule the Waves if you have time. Its a great read.

Fascinating find. I wonder how much they'll be able to bring up & display.

3 posted on 02/08/2009 6:22:00 PM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/treasure-quest/treasure-quest.html

http://blogs.discovery.com/ocean_odyssey/

Here’s a couple of links to the Discovery Channel.


4 posted on 02/08/2009 6:25:16 PM PST by pnz1
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To: skeeter

Crap - I got it backwards. According to Herman Britain out produced Spain & Portugal, who relied on bronze which were far more difficult to make, by effectively forging cast iron cannon.


5 posted on 02/08/2009 6:25:44 PM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

Mark


6 posted on 02/08/2009 6:40:07 PM PST by sport
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To: sport

8,000 lbs. of gold aboard. A cool ten mil.


7 posted on 02/08/2009 6:59:22 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: screaminsunshine

I know. My wife is following the story on the Discovery Channel.


8 posted on 02/08/2009 7:12:50 PM PST by sport
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To: screaminsunshine
8,000 lbs. of gold aboard. A cool ten mil.

I'll give you 12M.

Even with gold @ $1000/oz, 8 x 1000 x 12 = $96,000,000. (if the weight quoted isn't troy, it's even more)

9 posted on 02/08/2009 7:13:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Just wanted to see how it felt to be a Jackboot Licker)
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To: screaminsunshine

“A cool ten mil.”

Get a new calculator


10 posted on 02/08/2009 7:17:37 PM PST by freeplancer (McCain Voters Catch the Lobsters-Obama Voters Eat Them)
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To: nickcarraway
Hmmm. I've been following this on The Discovery Channel. Their second ship is Ocean Alert.

Last week they were complaining about how anyone with a computer and internet access could track them anywhere in the world.

Both are in port ATM. I wouldn't have thought to look except for his complaint. ;-)

11 posted on 02/08/2009 7:25:30 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Oztrich Boy

Nusmismatic value will exceed that several times.

The historic value, because it was recovered from the HMS Victory will increase it several times more.


12 posted on 02/08/2009 7:29:54 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: skeeter

I believe the switch over started in the late 1700s. But even during the French Revolution/Napoleon Wars many British Frigates and Ship of the Lines still had bronze cannons. They are shorter range then the iron long guns, but much bigger caliber. The bronze cannons were usually 32 pounders, but the iron ones were usually 8 pounders with perhaps a couple of 12 pounders per ship. The French were building new bigger and faster Frigates at the time and they all had cast iron cannons with the exception of a few bronze cannons for close in work. The Spanish were already waning and had not made the change over.

From: The Frigates (Wordsworth Military Library) by James Henderson


13 posted on 02/08/2009 7:34:48 PM PST by neb52
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


14 posted on 02/08/2009 7:36:24 PM PST by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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Age of Sail

Wreck of renowned British warship found in Channel
  02/01/2009 9:42:19 AM PST · Posted by george76 · 19 replies · 671+ views
Associated Press | February 01, 2009 | MITCH STACY,
Florida deep-sea explorers who found $500 million in sunken treasure two years ago say they have discovered another prized shipwreck: A legendary British man-of-war that sank in the English Channel 264 years ago. Odyssey Marine Exploration hasn't found any gold this time, but it's looking for an even bigger jackpot. The company's research indicates the HMS Victory was carrying 4 tons of gold coins that could be worth considerably more than the treasure that Odyssey raised from a sunken Spanish galleon in 2007, co-founder Greg Stemm said ahead of a news conference set for Monday in London. So far, Odyssey...
 

Wreck of HMS Victory 'recovered from Channel'
  02/01/2009 4:24:28 PM PST · Posted by PotatoHeadMick · 31 replies · 918+ views
Daily Telegraph (UK) | 01 Feb 2009 | Jon Swaine
Wreck of HMS Victory 'recovered from Channel' The shipwrecked predecessor to Lord Nelson's HMS Victory, which is thought to contain millions of pounds' worth of gold, is thought to have been found at the bottom of the English Channel. The ship, the fourth of six HMS Victories, sunk with its 1,150 sailors in October 1744 around The Casquets, a group of rocks off the Channel Islands. Among other valuable artefacts, it is thought to contain 100,000 gold coins. After months of secrecy, Odyssey Marine Exploration, a US company, is expected to confirm on Monday that the ship, codenamed "Legend", that...
 



15 posted on 02/08/2009 7:44:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Thanks nickcarraway.

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16 posted on 02/08/2009 7:44:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: pnz1

same here. raising that cannon was impressive.


17 posted on 02/09/2009 8:40:39 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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