Posted on 12/30/2008 2:43:30 PM PST by faucetman
Ed Hale of Plains Radio Network will be releasing in his radio show chat room at http://www.plainsradio.com/chat1.html tomorrow night around 6 pm central time, a certified copy of the divorce papers of Barrack Husein Obama Senior & Stanley Ann Dunham. The document is believed to show Barrack Obama Junior's place of birth. I have heard that it will show that place to be in Kenya. The document obtained from a private investigator in Hawaii will be available for viewing on the Plains Radio Network website.
OR the short form "document" posted on the web is a fake, or an altered version. No one has authenticated it with the information from the long form, or even a from freshly "pulled" (from the state database) short form (aka Certification, aka "abstract" version). Because legally, they can't, without either BHOs permission or a court order.
So is Lingle complicit?
I dont buy it.
To do so would through my entire belief system under the bus.
Probably, but that is separate from the Constitutional issue and the legalities.
Its going to be an interesting 4 years
Good night Gato
She was, born in Kansas, or so they say.
But, under the law as it existed at the time (and still exists, although the details have changed some) that is not sufficient for BHO Jr. to be a citizen at birth, given that his father was not a citizen, and if the birth was not in the US. She also had to meet those requirements of the law, and she did not. Almost, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
It also has nothing to do with her hippy dippy nature. It's the law, not some obscure technicality, and not some "regulation" either, but the US Code, passed by Congress.
I dont buy it.
If Mum was a citizen, then Barry is a citizen.
McCain was born out of country
And they do, but they also have some greater protections, especially against libel. If a private citizen said some of the things about other people that they do, there would big bucks in suing them. But a private citizen cannot sue them, in most instances.
But even other "public figures", have lessened protection against being libeled. Movie stars, sports figures and so forth. They get the dirty end of that stick, while politicians and government officials often get the clean end.
Only in that she is obeying the law, and likely hasn't even seen the Certificate in question. She has no power to order it released, only a court can do that. Or Obama of course.
It would not necessarily have to involve a privacy violation, a court could look at it and proclaim Obama to be a natural born citizen, or not, without revealing any "private" information to the public. Privacy is no excuse for allowing a Constitutional violation. He either is or is not eligible, a court can rule which, if they will just rule.
And the long form would tell us if she really was. Or at least what she put on the BC application form. The Long form, at least the 1963 version,, shows the parents place of birth, (boxes 11 and 16). So does mine for that matter. Choteau Montana and Elmwood Nebraska (IIRC on the Elmwood part, at least that's where my maternal grandparents lived when my mother was born, but there is no hospital there, but since she was born in the mid '20s, that wouldn't have been unusual. Even the hospital I was born in, which was founded around 1890, and the building they then occuppied was built in the 1930s, didn't have it's first baby born until a bit over 7 years before I was born there. Home births were quite common in those days (20s, not late '49).
I disagree, and agree with Star Traveler on that. We need a process for verification of eligiblity. Not just for President, but for all office seekers. Congressmen and Senators have Constitutional eligibility requirements as well. Most, if not all, state Legislators and governors, have similar requirements set forth in their state constitutions. Election officials should be empowered to verify that they are met.
Yes he was, but he met the requirement for both citizen at birth (Two US citizen parents) and natural born citizen. (the same in this case). His place of birth is irrelevant. BHO's father not being a US Citizen (as well as his mother's age) makes the difference. But that's moot, Obama's case isn't and never will be even after he's gone from office. Because his signature will be on all the laws passed while his in office, save those, if any, passed over his veto. It'll be a legal nightmare, unless and until his eligibility is legally established. Each act, and order will be challenged by someone on the basis of it not being legitimate.
That will of course include at least one Mother of All Gun Bans, and probably several other gun grabs.
Although the law has changed, the old law still applies to those born under it. The requirements are right here on the US State Department website., which says:
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
If you go to the Hawaii non-criminal court search engine, and type the following Case ID: 1DV000117619, it brings up the Soetoro divorce references on file, but the "Termination Date" listed is 11/26/1988, rather than the date of the divorce decree, 11/06/1980, which is curious.
If you click on the "Document List" button, it brings up a list of documents filed. The first is the Complaint for Divorce/Summons, which is in the .pdf file you linked. The second is "Information Concerning Conciliation and Child Care," which isn't included in the file posted.
Just guessing, but the Soetoros may have signed an agreement that Lolo would contribute to the children's education, including the unnamed child (Obama) listed on the complaint as "above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education." It would explain why Ann and Lolo were described as remaining friendly after the divorce, including Lolo visiting her in Hawaii, and Ann helping him to find a hospital in the US in his final illness.
In spite of the 1980 divorce decree, the case remained open until 1988, which was the year after Soetoro died, the year Obama started law school, and year Maya turned 18.
None of this would matter as much more than gossip, were it not for the endless contradictions about Obama's upbringing. In a rare interview with David Mendell of the Chicago Trib in 2004, Madelyn Dunham said that she and her husband paid for the kids' expensive education at Punahou school, but in February 2008, Obama slapped down Sen. Daniel Inouye (who described Obama as an elitist) by saying he went to Punahou on a scholarship.
I think he was born in Hawaii, or at least in the US, but at the same time, I think his life story is largely a made-for-TV fabrication.
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The year 1988 would coincide with the year that Maya turned 18..if I remember my dates right.
The divorce document says that Lolo does not have to pay for the childrens education in the final decree...so I dont think another document would say something different.
When we get the case number for the Obama divorce we will be able to look it up with that link you provided.
I saw something that said Ed Hale’s PI got the divorce record. I think that may be different than various info included in a case file as in going to the court house and copying all the case documents.
I have seen references to a divorce record being like a certificate.
We will soon know.
Why couldn't they hire a PI in Hawaii rather than one who wants a free trip to Hawaii?!
Because they did hire a PI that lives in HI. LOL
You mean this guy?
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