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FORGET NATURAL BORN, IS HE EVEN A "CITIZEN" ?

Posted on 12/20/2008 6:31:35 PM PST by rocco55

Attorney Berg said Mr. Obama is probably an "illegal alien".

If we cannot access his passports, his birth certificate, his college records:

1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released 11. Record of baptism -- Not available

and if he has multiple names:

Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry Soetoro

AND he specifically answered the "Any other names" on his bar application to obtain a law degree as "No", we can be sure MANY things about his past warrant serious and intense investigation !

I e-mailed Governor Lingle prior to Andy Martin's case requesting that she stand up for our Constitution. She IS a Republican and she DID make a comment prior to the election that Mr. Obama had limited political experience, so she may have somewhat of a clue what's going on - maybe a BIG CLUE ! Why else would Hussein send her a "Dear Linda" letter ?

Also, being from CT, I have been e-mailing Cort Wronowski for several weeks. It was TOO PITIFUL to see how the state dismissed his case and according to a radio interview, Leo said the state of CT refused to hear his case on improper grounds that did not even apply to his application as it was submitted. SURPRISE ! SURPRISE !

I also wrote Joseph Lieberman (our CT Senator) via certified mail and explained "in detail" the legitimacy of the TRUTH regarding "Factcheck", the short form cert and Obama's "sealed" history ! Is this the behavior of a cooperative official who wants to get to the TRUTH and bring about all this CHANGE ?

I informed him that, to date, there is NOT ONE hospital or medical facility in all Hawaii that has ANY record of Mr. Obama's birth and asked point blank: "Does this, in your highly qualified legal opinion, pose even the slightest 'shadow of a doubt' of this candidate's qualifications ?"

I further stated that if Mr. Obama is inaugurated on 1/20/09, he will place his hand on the Bible and vow to the American people that he will:

"PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES" ! !

I asked Mr. Lieberman:

"Could anything be more IMMEASURABLY IRONIC ????"

About 10 days back, I ran a post in FreeRepublic inquiring about OBAMA'S COLLEGE YEARBOOK. He graduated from Harvard in 1991, but is NOT in the 1991 Harvard Yearbook ! If he was the President of the Harvard Law Review, WHY NOT ?

I went on EBAY and searched EVERY possible college document, article, yearbook, alumni book, sports journal, etc. for Occidental, Princeton and Harvard Universities. I e-mailed questions to the sellers of the applicable items and asked if there was ANY mention of Barry or Barack and ALL of the replies were "NO, SORRY" !

One FreeRepublic reader commented that he went to Harvard personally and searched all College newspapers, announcements, etc., during the Obama years and was dismayed to find "several" missing pages ! He went to other years (prior and after Obama's attendance) and the papers were all intact ! Is this a coincidence ?

Obama's staff probably frequents this site daily to keep one step ahead of the competition. Having unlimited resources and a 30 million dollar campaign surplus, he can afford to have a 24/7 staff searching ANY negative feedback and once they find it, they can GOOGLE it to death with rebuttals. I told a friend who accused me of being an "ultra-right-wing die-hard Republican" about six weeks ago to search 'Obama birth certificate' on line and see for herself.

She wrote back and said the first 6 hits all said the birth cert is real and it was even verified by TWO reviewers "FactCheck" and "PolitiFact" ! Pul----lease !

I was recently summoned for Jury Duty and today I wrote the Judicial Branch of CT that I will not serve Jury duty because the state of CT turned down Cort Wronowski's case and sent in their electoral votes without verifying that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen and he may not even be a U.S. citizen AT ALL ! Consequently, I cannot serve a judicial system that does not uphold and defend our Constitution.

Obama most likely attended college as a "foreign student" and is possibly still not a legal U.S. citizen. Why else would he go to such great lengths to "seal" ---or better stated, "CONCEAL" his past ?

The dilemma we face is, without someone kidnapping his children and holding them hostage for his birth cert, we might all DIE with that document sitting in a vault ! How sad is that ?

I entertained the idea of actually renting a Highway Billboard (I heard it's approximately $1500 for one month) with a slogan that could not be regarded as racist --possibly :

"I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT IS 100% BLACK AND HONEST THAN ONE WHO IS HALF-WHITE AND WON'T SHOW HIS BIRTH CERT ! "

How else can we get the attention of ANYONE ? 99% of all Americans do not even know there is a CRISIS going on because when the MSM covers a "lawsuit dismissal", it is portrayed in a such a negative light with the usual "Factcheck" references and the "mis-information" that the state of Hawaii has "confirmed that Obama was born there", that the public has no choice but to accept it ! Of course, they think we're kooks ! It's what they're being told by NBC, CBS, FOX, Associated Press, etc.

Would it make sense to file a more basic and fundamental lawsuit (possibly against Pelosi, who had the unmitigated gall to sign off on his eligibility) to verify if Hussein is even a U. S. citizen AT ALL ? Would that obligate the defendants to produce even a passport, or this that TOO MUCH to hope for ? !

I find myself searching and praying for ANY legitimate way of exposing this Usurper...only saving grace is, if we are near the "end of the World", maybe this is part of God's plan....when ancient Israel rejected Him, He gave them what they wanted "King Saul", who proved to be unfaithful and was superseded by David...but for us, we can still fight and appeal our cause....even JESUS called Herod a "fox" !

Any attorneys out there ? Is a case against Pelosi worth pursuing ? Is the "cititzen" question, in and of itself (without the 'natural born' issue) a case less likely to be dismissed ? Can anyone else brainstorm a better option ??


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KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; choomgang; obama; obamagate; obamatruthfile; rinobullies
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To: Canedawg; djf
You have the privilege to refuse to say anything that will incriminate you, and it extends to both civil and criminal proceedings. (Canedawg)

Which leads us back to my post 62:

Kindly address “Admission by Silence” in view of “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

It looks like remaining silent can be used against you and speaking can be used against you

The tension between the right to remain silent and admission by silence has not been addressed as far as I can tell, but that's what I'm concerned with.

I'm also out of time on this end.

161 posted on 12/21/2008 9:42:10 AM PST by KrisKrinkle
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To: KrisKrinkle

The rights to remain silent are part of your presumption of innocence.

In other words, it must be by some active effort of the prosecution that they find something that indicates to them you are guilty.

It is a fine line, but keeping you mouth shut can’t be converted into a crime or be used evidentialy against you.

My Isaacs citation pointed towards Butler v US, a famous case on it’s own right.

Here is the Isaacs case. Starting at about FN44 you can see the reasoning of the court.

http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F2/256/654/274424/

When you have time, give it a look, it might clear up some of your questions.

Regards,
djf


162 posted on 12/21/2008 9:54:36 AM PST by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: BIGLOOK; David; theothercheek; LucyT; FARS; BIOCHEMKY; ckilmer; pissant; SatinDoll; Polarik; ...
Governor Lingle is sworn to uphold the law ...

Yes, but it could be argued that the Constitution of the United States (which she is also sworn to uphold) is the supreme law of the land, and therefore takes priority over Hawaii law when in conflict.

I haven't checked the specifics of the Hawaii privacy statute, but I'm sure there are exceptions under some compelling circumstances.

163 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:04 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: David; rocco55; Uncle Chip; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
The essential elements of this issue today are these.

There is no evidence available of any nature anywhere that Obama was born in Hawaii or anywhere else in the US.

On the other hand, there is abundant evidence that he was born in Mombasa, in Kenya.

Thanks, David.

Ping to # 140.

164 posted on 12/21/2008 11:03:44 AM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT
This is from an e-mail Dr. Taitz sent today:

"This comes from the Army website. They have had this in the works since 2005 it seems.
Civilian Inmate Labor Program - Army Regulation 210—35
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf"

I'm not exactly sure what to make of this '05 reg. Could it be more related to Gitmo?

165 posted on 12/21/2008 11:05:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rocco55
...it was not Gov. Lingle who was combative in denying Andy Martin access to the birth cert ..., it was the Attorney General.

From what I understand, in Hawaii (unlike some states), the Attorney General is a gubernatorial appointee and part of her administration. Therefore, Lingle, if she were so inclined, would have been able to tell her AG to go easier on Martin re the BC issue, or resign. She didn't. Thus the buck stops with her, and she bears responsibility.

It KILLS me that this document is just "sitting there" while the media is reporting on the new White House dog and what color drapes Michelle Hussein will choose for the White House Dining Room!!

Many of us here on FR would surely second that emotion!!!

166 posted on 12/21/2008 11:07:27 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: LucyT

Will the Republicans do anything? A blog had a great article on here last night. The guy said we should letters to Sen Coburn and Rep. Ron Paul to stand up against the Kenyan in congress.

Will any Repubs have the guts? Come on Cheney and the RNC. Stop being traitor scum RINOs like Juan McCain and Miss Lindsay Graham-nesty.


167 posted on 12/21/2008 11:09:34 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: BIGLOOK

In such a democrat mindset state, is the Republican governor likelt to be a rewal conservative? Isn’t it more likely that she has an “R” beside her name but a “D” in her soul? Being posed as Sarah’s friend isn’t really bonefides don’tchaknow.


168 posted on 12/21/2008 11:10:03 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 353FMG

If the poisonous little ACORNs were not a creidble threat for race riots, do you think the obamanoid would have any cover from the ball-less SCOTUS or COTUS?


169 posted on 12/21/2008 11:12:42 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Hope everyone saves post 121 to your hard drive......Excellent discription of what “Axelturf” looks like.


170 posted on 12/21/2008 11:16:12 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: MHGinTN
Linda Lingle is a Republican governor in the sense that she holds and presents conservative values and policies in a state that's run by a Democrat machine. She vetoes Dem bills regularly only to have them overridden by the Democrat controlled congress.

Lingle remains popular but her policies are rendered ineffective. That's par for the course in Hawaiian politics.
171 posted on 12/21/2008 11:26:00 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: justiceseeker93
I haven't checked the specifics of the Hawaii privacy statute, but I'm sure there are exceptions under some compelling circumstances.

One comes to mind; if SCOTUS orders the release of the vault certificate for their perusal, it'll happen....but without the governor ever having seen it herself.
172 posted on 12/21/2008 11:33:18 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: Cincinna
Just how did he travel to Pakistan ...

He is reputed to have traveled to Pakistan during his undergrad college years on an Indonesian passport. His school records from his youth in Indonesia (where he lived from ages 6-10) indicate he was an Indonesian citizen during that childhood period. That makes sense, because he was adopted by his stepfather, who indeed was an Indonesian citizen.

173 posted on 12/21/2008 11:40:20 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: hoosiermama; Eye of Unk; Kevmo; MHGinTN; little jeremiah; Iowan; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; ...
Thank you, hoosiermama and Eye of Unk.

Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral.

There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.

This salient point is evidenced by several trolls on FR. They're here more than me, and I spend way too much time on this site.

174 posted on 12/21/2008 11:50:02 AM PST by LucyT
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To: MHGinTN; Calpernia; Polarik; STARWISE

Well, I did it! While picking up the Sunday paper for dad nonchalantly picked up a copy of the Globe....
Artical is fairly well written.

Discusses the “seventeen lawsuits with one containing an affidavit from Sarah, his paternal grandmother (who are pictured together.)

Keyes quoted. Including: “particularly telling is the fact that not one single person has come forward - not a doctor, not a nurse, not a hospital administrator, nor anyone else -to state that he or she was present...

Also quotes political historian Will Silvestri several times (wonder if he’s a freeper)

The biggest thing I see that needs to be improved is an understanding of the different types of birth records in HI. And that the BC shown in article as well as the SSR are fraudulent.

You all do a good job of explaining it all:

Contact information given is Paul Bannister , newstips@globefi.com

Seems the Globe is interested in help us get the word out....Let’s take advantage of it.


175 posted on 12/21/2008 11:56:29 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: LucyT

Many thanks, LucyT

Ping.


176 posted on 12/21/2008 12:31:47 PM PST by Iowan
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To: LucyT; justiceseeker93; BIGLOOK; hoosiermama; Eye of Unk; Kevmo; MHGinTN; little jeremiah; Iowan; ..

Perhaps that works on other sites, but FReepers aren’t that weak in spirit or lame in the quest for the truth. True to the heart FReepers do not lose their moral:

The stepped-up participation and increased volume of trolls on this website is a clear indicator of the Obama team at practicing obfuscation and desperate damage control.

The very fact that the majority of trolls all migrate to Natural Born / Birth Certificate threads speaks to importance and threat of the issue that challenges their leader’s ascendancy to the presidency.

Secondly, if the usuper is able to assume the office while Constitutionally unqualified, his effectiveness as a neo-Marxist leader and arbitrator of leftist agenda will be significantly marginalized.

His time will be cut short once the truth is unravelled and the spectacle of usurptation will inflict considerable damage to their leftist Changeling movement.

In closure to the usual infilTraitors—> LOL, new little trolls and old lib-moles, LOL! LOL>LOL>LOL>LOL>LOL>LOL>ad nauseum


177 posted on 12/21/2008 12:32:33 PM PST by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride.)
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To: Gemsbok; LucyT; Beckwith

I just tried going to the Obama File and it says this:

(Wondering if team 0bama is messing with it, or is beckwith doing something on it?)

Web Page Unavailable
We’re sorry, the web page you are trying to reach is unavailable.

Please contact the website administrator.

We apologize for the inconvenience.


178 posted on 12/21/2008 12:43:39 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Gemsbok

Using techniques like these?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2152111/posts?page=121#121


179 posted on 12/21/2008 12:52:27 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U; CaribouCrossing; HiJinx; MS.BEHAVIN; BIGLOOK; ASA Vet; Arrowhead1952

So, a decorated combat vet is a poser...

I think I’ll bring in a few witnesses.

Here ya go, Folks: a few self-righteous types who think that yours truly is a fake, because I don’t kneel to their single-issue.


180 posted on 12/21/2008 1:10:00 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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