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Unknown "Structures" Tugging at Universe, Study Says [ Dark Flow ]
National Geographic News ^ | November 5, 2008 | John Roach

Posted on 11/07/2008 3:29:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Everything in the known universe is said to be racing toward the massive clumps of matter at more than 2 million miles (3.2 million kilometers) an hour -- a movement the researchers have dubbed dark flow.

The presence of the extra-universal matter suggests that our universe is part of something bigger -- a multiverse -- and that whatever is out there is very different from the universe we know, according to study leader Alexander Kashlinsky, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland...

Dark flow was named in a nod to dark energy and dark matter -- two other unexplained astrophysical phenomena.

The newfound flow cannot be explained by, and is not directly related to, the expansion of the universe, though the researchers believe the two types of movement are happening at the same time...

The study team didn't set out to explode physics as we know it.

They simply wanted to confirm the longstanding notion that the farther away galaxies are, the slower their motion should appear.

That movement is detectable in data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), which NASA says "reveals conditions as they existed in the early universe by measuring the properties of the cosmic microwave background radiation over the full sky" -- radiation thought to have been released about 380,000 years after the birth of the universe.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkflow; darkforce; darkmatter; haltonarp; stringtheory; telescope; wmap
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To: autumnraine

Cell? I used the model of the atom. All that spinny, going round & round stuff, doncha know? And yes, spinny is a word, because I said it is, so there!


61 posted on 11/07/2008 6:36:40 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: SunkenCiv
In case you missed it, as it was stuck in the middle of a thread about the economic melt down. Let me see if I can replicate the effect here, tho I'm HTML challenged....

Oh noes, we're all gonna die!

62 posted on 11/07/2008 6:45:20 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: The Cajun
Hell, everything in the universe has a tendency to spin, why not the whole damned thing is spinning (we would never know it since we have no reference). This would explain why everything is flying outward without the need of some great attractor over the horizon we can never prove.....Or put another way, when God created the primordial fireball of the big bang, he put a little English on it as expansion began.

Expansion is a better way to say it than flying outward. It's like space is growing in between everything at an increasing rate of speed.

63 posted on 11/07/2008 6:53:09 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly
It's like space is growing in between everything at an increasing rate of speed.

If space is growing (expanding) at an increasing rate of speed, wonder what time is up to?

64 posted on 11/07/2008 7:31:37 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: The Cajun
If space is growing (expanding) at an increasing rate of speed, wonder what time is up to?

OOooo, now you're really taxing my brain. I think that it depends on which theory about time that you use. I mostly wonder what it does with "c".

65 posted on 11/07/2008 7:39:37 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly
I mostly wonder what it does with "c".

Well dealing with "c" we'll first have to figure out exactly what the hell a photon is and does it really exist in our three-dimensional spatial/one dimensional temporal universe. "c" = speed of light, light = photon, speed of light = time dilation maximum (time stopped)/ length contraction maximum (distance zero). It would appear to me that time and distance does not exist for a photon in "flight", therefore it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe.

66 posted on 11/07/2008 8:24:41 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: beethovenfan
Obama is everywhere!

Kneel to Zed.

67 posted on 11/07/2008 8:24:56 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Pray that this is not reality in 2010/2012/thereafter


68 posted on 11/07/2008 8:29:54 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: The Cajun
therefore it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe

If it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe, wouldn't it be uneffected by any medium that is within our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe?

69 posted on 11/07/2008 8:48:08 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly
wouldn't it be uneffected by any medium that is within our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe?

Keeping in mind that I'm just a semi-educated Cajun who has been told by various experts that I know just enough to be very dangerous to knowledge in several fields;-)..........I think I've read that there is no way to detect a photon in "flight" until it smashes into something (detector, retina etc. etc.), but that does not mean that something in our universe (gravity) will not effect its' flight path.

70 posted on 11/07/2008 9:11:55 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: The Cajun
Many things in this known universe affect photons, which is why "c" is the speed of light in a vacuum. There's supposed to be some kind of fiber that allows light to travel faster than the speed of light, which is like saying that it gets to the end before it leaves. Please, don't ask me to explain how, because it has me totally baffled.
71 posted on 11/07/2008 9:23:25 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly
Explains better than I where I'm coming from with the above screwy ideas.

Link to Quantum Weirdness

72 posted on 11/07/2008 9:45:49 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: yield 2 the right

Pray we are alive to vote in 2012. I will not be surprised if I am hauled out at night to be shot. God willing and hopefully not.


73 posted on 11/08/2008 1:43:11 AM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: The Cajun
Hell, everything in the universe has a tendency to spin, why not the whole damned thing is spinning (we would never know it since we have no reference). This would explain why everything is flying outward without the need of some great attractor over the horizon we can never prove.....Or put another way, when God created the primordial fireball of the big bang, he put a little English on it as expansion began.

Well, the problem with your theory is that the spinning (another way of saying expansion) should slow down due to gravity. But it is not slowing down. So you could postulate at least two theories for the increase. Either there is some kind of dark energy or force causing the expansion, or you could say that God is still applying the English. That would make English the universal language.

74 posted on 11/08/2008 2:09:40 AM PST by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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