Posted on 07/11/2008 7:21:18 AM PDT by Soliton
In the past, I have observed that the newsmedia and scientific establishment commonly promote the Darwinist bias against intelligent design (ID), where the media "carefully selects the sources of information it will broadcast to the public on this issue." (To see how various groups in the establishment serve as checkpoints to prevent scientific information that challenges neo-Darwinism from reaching the public, observe the diagram at left.) National Geographic (NG) is doing its job as a media checkpoint, promoting biased information to the public on ID.
(Excerpt) Read more at evolutionnews.org ...
“lucidity is a great gift when confronted with lies......”
Please explain what the ‘lie’ is exactly. Are you claiming scientists are fabricating evidence such as the fossil record or DNA evidence? Or....?
Alternatively, are you claiming evolution is a ‘lie’ simply because it conflicts with your religious beliefs? If so, I’m afraid that’s a fruitless accusation, since both the scientific method and the evidence of evolution are well documented, and the term ‘lie’ isn’t applicable unless fraud is involved. It is simply the best, simplest scientific theory that explains the observed facts.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider the Church to have ‘lied’ when it instructed the faithful that the Sun revolved around the Earth?
And by sticking up for those who engage in that sort of behavior on the "other side" (and maybe even also engaging in it, how can you legitimately excuse yourself?
gnip...
What were Galileo's scientific and biblical conflicts with the Church?
actually, the conflict arose because the catholic church asked galileo to keep quiet about his discoveries, until the church could verify them with those who were scientists within the church..
galileo refused to do so, and therefore, the church took action against him. which by the way, was basically house arrest in, for the time, an apartment with all the amenities of the time.
this is what you never hear about from the ‘media’ or ‘science news’ which always tries to paint the church as being anti science....
it makes for good fodder for anti christians...but as i noted before, lucidity helps one see through the lies.
one can be deceived and thus be lying, without doing it on purpose.
history is abound with the the ‘honest’ scientists’ fabricating fake missing links, i.e. using the pig tooth and building an entire non existant missing link that was displayed for years...etc....
but generally speaking, folks like you and those you support, are looking at the exact same evidence, fossil wise, dna wise, astronomy wise, etc....
it is the starting point that differs, we believe in what God said, and look at the evidence thusly.
those in the other camp, start with the premise of ‘nature is all there ever was’ and proceed to interpret the same evidence....
that fact that they are lying, and dont know it, well, that is the problem isnt it?
“one can be deceived and thus be lying, without doing it on purpose.” ~ raygunfan
That’s true.
Kurt Wise: “Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. “
Who is Kurt Wise?:
Towers Online - The News Service of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary http://www.towersonline.net/story.php?grp=news&id=344
April 13, 2006 By Jeff Robinson
Excerpts:
“Trustees at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on April 11 unanimously approved the creation of two new theological study centers...
Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said the new study centers aim at equipping pastors and church leaders to think biblically about pivotal issues which dominate contemporary culture.
“One of the ways we want to lead Southern Baptists is through helping evangelicals and Southern Baptists in particular to engage some of the most critical issues of our day,” Mohler said.-
“This is not a time for Christians to be out-thought by the world, but in general that is what happens. We find the church behind the times in thinking about some of the most crucial issues of our day.”
...Mohler also named Kurt Wise as the new director for Southern’s Center for Theology and Science, and professor of theology and science. Wise currently serves on the faculty of Bryan College in Dayton, Tenn., where he is also director of the Center for Origins Research.
Wise earned both a doctor of philosophy and master of arts in paleontology from Harvard University. He and his wife Marie have two daughters.
Wise replaces William Dembski, who is leaving Southern Seminary to join the faculty at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary so he can be closer to his family.
“With the addition of Kurt Wise, we are recognizing that creation is a ground zero theological crisis point right now in American culture and even in our churches,” Moore said. [snip] ..
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A couple of interesting items on the web regarding Kurt Wise:
[1] 7/3/2003 http://www.christianforums.com/t43741&page=12 “Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:
“I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young. Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. Thus I would suggest that the challenge you are trying to meet is unmeetable.” ~ Kurt Wise
[2] December 19th 2004 http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=44017 Theologyweb.com
Post # 7:
“...there is new breed of YEC out there, of which Kurt Wise is an example, who recognize that there are scientific problems with their Weltanschauung. I knew Kurt was exceptional, but there are more of his stripe. Affectionately, I’d like to refer to them as neo-YECs, as opposed to the Wieland-Ham-Morris-Safarti-Jorge YECs for which I would propose the oxymoronic moniker paleo-YECs.”
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Of course, that sort of stance rightly invites articles such as this from snickering, rabid atheists like Richard Dawkins:
Sadly, an Honest Creationist - by Richard Dawkins http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=dawkins_21_4
see quotes wars can be amuzing...but, again, those who are part of the yec group, sarfati, morris, et al, are emminently qualified to speak in favor of YEC.
“that fact that they are lying, and dont know it, well, that is the problem isnt it?”
That is a BIG problem, since one is not lying if one does not intend to deceive. From Merriam-Webster:
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
Statements made by the merely ignorant aren’t “lies”.
It’s difficult to hold a conversation when basic terms are open to interpretation.
I’m done with this thread, enjoy your weekend.
yes, it is difficult, but i tried my best, i dont usually speak in dictionary terms, one usually can convey the meaning without having to resort to looking up a word in the dictionary, to get a point across.
I don’t know what your father did to you but it must have really made you angry at God. I don’t believe that you are an atheist.
No, I am agnostic. I am not angry with God, but with the anti-science nutjobs on FR who aren't content to worship in church, but want religion taught in science class.
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