Posted on 07/02/2008 6:08:10 AM PDT by mware
July 2, 1863
The morning of July 2 found the two armies facing each other from two nearly parallel ridges separated by a plain of open farmland. Overnight, Longstreet had arrived with the divisions of McLaws and Hood, bringing the strength of the Confederate Army to 50,000. As of this morning, Pickett's division had not arrived. The Union Army had also received reinforcements during the night, bringing their numbers to over 60,000.
While Meade's attention was directed towards Ewell's corps on Culp's Hill to the north, Lee decided to attack from the south. In the afternoon, Hood's division encountered Federal forces with hand-to-hand combat in an area of rock-strewn confusion of large boulders known as "Devil's Den." The Confederates worked past Devil's Den and for a short time nearly overtook Little Round Top before being repulsed by the 20th Maine regiment. The Confederates withdrew to Devil's Den where sharpshooters kept up a deadly exchange with Federal troops on Little Round Top.
A little later in the afternoon, McLaw's division overpowered Sickles' Federals with hand- to-hand combat at the Peach Orchard and the adjacent wheat field. However, losses were great and the Confederate push lost momentum at the creek at the base of Little Round Top known as Plum Run.
Next, Anderson made a run on Hancock's center Federal position which had been weakened in an attempt to aid Sickles. The Confederates were successfully pushing towards the Federal's ridge position when Hancock ordered the First Minnesota regiment to counterattack. Although the First Minnesota suffered enormous casualties, they managed to give Hancock enough time to establish a new line of defense. Anderson's men had to withdraw to Confederate positions across the valley.
To the north, Ewell's divisions had some success with late afternoon attacks in and around Culp's Hill. Early's division temporarily broke through Federal lines as darkness fell, but with lack of support and Federal counterattacks, had to withdraw. Lee had come close to success causing Meade to consider a possible retreat. The 2nd of July 1863 became one of the bloodiest days in American military history with each side losing about 10,000 men.
are you planning to FLEE FR in tears, when your LIES are exposed???(PLEASE don't, as making sport of the LEADER of "the DAMNyankee coven:" as a KNOWING LIAR, will be too much FUN.)
btw, PLEASE explain HOW you bought a copy of BLACKS IN BLUE & GRAY from ebay "last year" since NONE have been offered for sale in at LEAST three years??? (fyi, i'm NOT going to let anyone forget THAT particular LIE. i've tried for YEARS to buy a copy from ebay/craigslist/sell.com/amazon & rare book dealers with NO LUCK.)
free dixie,sw
the CLOSEST to that was the MauMau rebellion, which failed because it was NOT a popularly supported guerrilla action;instead it was a group of common criminals masquerading as guerrillas. (even the USSR & Red China gave up on them.)
the Maylay rebellion was driven underground after MANY years of British military might being used against it. it STILL is active today in some areas of the islands.
the Philippine uprising by the Huks was NEVER ended, even by the cruelty of the Japanese. it is in FINE shape today.
face it, N-S, you are dead WRONG. stick to posting HALF-truths, wishful thinking, NONSENSE, DY PROPAGANDA & leave military doctrine to those of us who actually SERVED in the armed forces.
free dixie,sw
I thought you said you had a female Freeper who would be able to post the relevant page? What happened to her?
btw, PLEASE explain HOW you bought a copy of BLACKS IN BLUE & GRAY from ebay "last year" since NONE have been offered for sale in at LEAST three years??? (fyi, i'm NOT going to let anyone forget THAT particular LIE. i've tried for YEARS to buy a copy from ebay/craigslist/sell.com/amazon & rare book dealers with NO LUCK.)
Because you're lying. Ebay sold at least one in the last three years. I bought it.
thus, you are simply/KNOWINGLY telling a LIE(s).
free dixie,sw
Actually they all were.
fwiw, Sally has to HAVE the book to post it. ====> another OBVIOUS attempt to divert the attention of our readers from the FACT that you LIED about what Blackerby's book says.
free dixie,sw
“.......It made us an IS.”
and Bill Clinton still doesn’t understand the meaning of that word!
at worst your opinions are just plain FALSE & base-LESS.
free dixie,sw
Nor do you.
1. i am a retired 0-4 of the USA Military Police,
2.my picture in dress uniform has been posted on FR (including some WBTS threads) &
3. far too many people around the DC Chapter knew me personally when i was still on active duty,
your post is just another example of SILLY, BIGOTED, ranting that makes you LOOK DUMB, clue-LESS & DISHONEST.
before you post something that makes you even MORE ignorant & DISHONEST, may i suggest that you ask "Kristinn", "japaneseghost", "ELS", "cyborg", "petronski" & most anyone else that's in the DC Chapter about my military service.
meanwhile, "Mr NEVER SERVED" may i suggest that you stick to posting things, that you actually might have knowledge of & leave military affairs/doctrine/policy to the PROS.
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
"taxman" needs a good belly-laugh at YOUR expense. he'll tell you that you are a DUNCE, as well as an ignorant, south-HATER.
free dixie,sw
"I do. Lee's reasons for the Pennsylvania campaign were subject to the same level of revisionism that many of his other actions were."
Your argument about Lee's shortage of basic supplies is correct, of course, and undeniably part of his thinking.
But surely you would grant that Lee also had higher strategic goals, and surely you would respect LEE'S OWN WORDS as not being necessarily the result of modern historical revisionism?
Please note how much of the following argument comes straight from Lee himself:
"The lives of our soldiers are too precious to be sacrificed in the attainment of successes that inflict no loss upon the enemy beyond the actual loss in battle," Lee had written Secretary of War Seddon on January 10, 1863.
"Each victory should bring us nearer to the great end which it is the object of this war to reach."
"Nothing can arrest during the present [Lincoln] administration," Lee expressed to Seddon, "the most desolating war that was ever practiced, except by a revolution among their people. Nothing can produce a revolution except systematic success on our part."
"And Lee knew the northern populace was growing weary of the war. The disaffection in various parts of the north was reported in newspapers and forwarded by spies for Lee's consideration.
"The growing fatigue north of the Mason-Dixon Line energized some Southerners, especially when coupled with word that the Lincoln administration was taking steps to ratchet up their war effort [A SURGE??] as their own people grew tired of the conflict....
"The growing unrest in the North and firm Southern resolve to the cause of independence animated Lee, who realized the political possibilities these circumstances created.
"If successful this year, next fall there will be a great change in public opinion at the North." the general predicted to his wife on April 19, 1863.
"The Republicans will be destroyed & I think the friends of peace will become so strong as that the next administration will go in on that basis."
Yes, some have argued here that General McClellan was not REALLY the "peace candidate," that he would not REALLY have agreed to a negotiated settlement. But I wonder how much of that argument is just hindsight, knowing of the great northern victories in 1863 & 1864?
free dixie,sw
Thanks Martha.. good material on thread.
free dixie,sw
I think the Curriculum Vitae you’re referring to is buried somewhere in the brigade archives. IIRC they stopped working on it sometime in 2005 due to extreme boredom. Don’t know if his “non-fiction” book about Guerilla Warfare in the West, or his alternative history “bodice ripper” ever got published either. Kinda doubt it given his eccentric writing style. Cheers.
laughing AT you. (you'd do better to keep it SHUT about things of which you know NOTHING.)
otoh, i DO like catching you ranting & making yourSELF look STUPID & filled with HATE, as every time you do it you DAMAGE the "fanatic unionists" of the coven. (anything that damages you DYs is a plus for dixie LIBERTY.)
free dixie,sw
Huh? There would have been nothing between Lee and Washington at that point. Maryland was very much sympathetic to the south... forced into the Union by jailing politicians without a trial. Grant would have been forced to return to the area... possibly putting Vicksburg back into play. Everything changes if Lee wins at Gettysburg.
I agree that swattie could use some help....starting with some of his compatriots slacking him off a notch or two. Now I fully believe that stonewalls intends to apply his criticism equally - that he just hasn’t gotten around to it because of the holiday and all.
We’ll see...
Except what was left of the Army of the Potomac and the Washington D.C. garrison manning the dozens of forts protecting the city. Lee would have about 45 or 50 thousand men, little ammunition, and thousands of wounded. Too little for a siege.
Maryland was very much sympathetic to the south... forced into the Union by jailing politicians without a trial.
Maryland's sympathy that you speak of certainly wasn't on display the year before during Lee's campaign in the North. It was a divided state, to be sure, but your suggestion that it's sympathies lay overwhelmingly with the South are exaggerated.
Grant would have been forced to return to the area... possibly putting Vicksburg back into play.
By the time Grant is recalled, Vicksburg is already lost - it surrendered on July 4th.
Everything changes if Lee wins at Gettysburg.
Sorry, but in the long run nothing changes. The South still loses.
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