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Clint Eastwood's 'Unforgiven' - what do you think?
June 16, 2008 | Apollo 13

Posted on 06/16/2008 7:31:04 AM PDT by Apollo 13

Hi everyone - being a relative newbie, I could yet not resist this one: yesterday I saw 'Unforgiven' by Clint Eastwood for the first time. To start: I found it a stunningly good movie. It's been labelled as 'the very last western', or if you will, a revisionist version of trad western fare. I'd agree with both comments; but at the same time it's not out of step with tradional storytelling. What makes it special for me is the deep humanity in it all. Women of low standing are heroines; Clint stays true to the one woman that once saved his life spiritually; yes, he's doomed to return to his old habits, but only because of his deep friendship for the murdered Ned Logan. And Gene Hackman is a superb Little Bill, the sheriff that goes to, ahem, great lengths to keep his small town clean of thugs (irony intended). So IMHO, one to watch again. I wonder: what is the consensus at FR on this one (if there is one?). Many, many comments are welcome! Cheers, A13.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: eastwood; film; history; hollywood; moviereview; opinion; revisionism; unforgiven
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Best western since Conager. Easily in the top 10 of all time, Unforgiven is ggod but not that good.


41 posted on 06/16/2008 8:20:27 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: OKIEDOC
Anyone who dares Bowdlerize a work of art like Blazing Saddles deserves to be tied to a chair and forced to watch Rosie O'Donnell eat a whole lasagna without utensils.
42 posted on 06/16/2008 8:21:06 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace is Not The Question.)
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To: Vaquero

I like youir list, but I would replace “Butch cassidy” wit “Crossfire Trail”. I never liked the Butch movie and Tom Selleck does excellent westerns. Also, The Wild Bunch is an underrated western. It has extremely subtle undercurrents which strike a chord with those who have a sense of not fitting in with what their world has become.

I also think that Val Kilmer deserved an oscar for his performance in Tombstone, another underrated film (much better than Costner’s Wyatt Earp).


43 posted on 06/16/2008 8:21:49 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Red_Devil 232

My favorite part of Josey Wales is when Eastwood spits tobacco juice on the dog’s head.


44 posted on 06/16/2008 8:22:35 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: andy58-in-nh
I read somewhere (perhaps it's just a legend) that Clint Eastwood actually bought the screenplay for Unfogiven years ago, and kept it under wraps for a couple of decades because he thought an older version of himself would be an ideal actor for the Munny character.
45 posted on 06/16/2008 8:23:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Apollo 13
Wonderful movie. Another favorite Western of mine is Chato’s Land.
47 posted on 06/16/2008 8:25:53 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Clint N. Suhks
You're right! How could I have not included Open Range on my list of top westerns?

Just as Val Kilmer's performance in TOMBSTONE was Oscar-worthy and 'made the movie'...so did Robert Duvall's in OPEN RANGE.

48 posted on 06/16/2008 8:28:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: KenHorse

one of my favorite too, if you ignore Danny Glover, although he did a good job on the film.


49 posted on 06/16/2008 8:32:17 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Apollo 13

best of spaghetti westerns, Once Upon a Time in the West, Henry Fonda, fantastic bad guy.


50 posted on 06/16/2008 8:35:11 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Apollo 13
what is the consensus at FR on this one

IMO "Unforgiven" is Clints' second-best western.

First place goes to "The Outlaw Josey Wales".

Third place goes to "High Plains Drifter".

Of the Dukes' westerns, my favorite is "Big Jake". The screenplay was by Harry Julian Fink and Rita M. Fink, who also wrote "Dirty Harry". This is why you have John Wayne uttering such great lines as:

"And now you understand. Anything goes wrong, anything at all... your fault, my fault, nobody's fault... it won't matter - I'm gonna blow your head off.

No matter what else happens, no matter who gets killed, I'm gonna blow your head off."

51 posted on 06/16/2008 8:35:32 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: catman67

A masterful performance by Kilmer, who once said he would rather do a good western than any other kind of Hollywood film.


52 posted on 06/16/2008 8:39:14 AM PDT by MJemison
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To: Apollo 13

My two favorites: Unforgiven and Open Range./Just Asking - soeul62.......


53 posted on 06/16/2008 8:40:19 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: Apollo 13

Clint Eastwood has made some great movies without question, however . . .

If you want to see the REAL DEAL on the big screen and not another make believe movie star, go pick up some old Audie Murphy westerns on Ebay.

America’s most decorated soldier in WWII moved like a cat on the prowl with deadly, cold confidence and precision. Even on the big screen, his eyes gave the audience chills and could make their blood run cold. Murphy had the experience to back up his big screen performances with the Medal of Honor, DSC, 2 SS, 2 BS, 2 PH, and 240 dead German & Italian soldiers by his hands.

He is IMHO, the greatest western actor of all time.


54 posted on 06/16/2008 8:42:27 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: holymoly

100% agree on your top 3. Reading this I was surprised how long it took for High Plains Drifter to be mentioned.


55 posted on 06/16/2008 8:45:16 AM PDT by Wolverine83
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To: DCPatriot

Val was a great Doc Holiday for sure. I still think Unforgiven may be my favorite of all time.
Toss up between it or The Shootist for me. Open Range
had a nice “love story” to it too though. It’s hard to
choose.


56 posted on 06/16/2008 8:51:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ( Greetings are for WAL*MART Greeters!©®™)
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To: Alberta's Child; pennboricua

IMHO, all spaghetti westerns, filmed in Spain by Italians with ‘Godzilla like’ mismatched english words coming out of southern European mouths...

...are an ABOMINATION!


57 posted on 06/16/2008 8:52:56 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Apollo 13

Unforgiven is the movie that convinced me that Clint Eastwood is the greatest director of our time.


58 posted on 06/16/2008 8:53:24 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Rebelbase

I liked it better when he spit on the salesman after asking him if the stuff cleaned stains....


59 posted on 06/16/2008 8:58:08 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: andy58-in-nh
LOL extremely hard.

The theater where I watched Blazing Saddles was mostly filled with dark skinned folks who were probably descendent's of slaves brought over by the Spanish to help build forts.

The whole theater was non stop laughing especially when
Lili von Schtupp lured Bart back to her room.

Even though the movie was subtitled it was a real hoot to see so many people enjoy themselves.

60 posted on 06/16/2008 8:59:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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