Black Man Proud Of Confederate Flag

News Channel 9 Chattanooga ^ | March 12, 2008 | John Pless

[cowboyway]

Many heads turned in Ringgold Wednesday when they saw an African-American man dressed in a Confederate soldier's uniform, carrying a Confederate flag.

It wasn't a joke. H.K. Edgerton came to Ringgold to make a bold statement - he opposes city leader's removing the Confederate flag from the city's flag pole.

Edgerton says the Confederate flag is misunderstood, feared and hated because people are trying to be politically correct - which he says desecrates the honor and real meaning of the Civil War era emblem.

"I'm here because your town council climbed into bed with all the politically correct folks who are practicing social, cultural genocide here in the south land of America," Edgerton said.

Edgerton is marching against that cultural genocide as he calls it, and is getting a warm welcome from people in Ringgold who support his fight for the Confederate flag.

Jim Caldwell meet Edgerton carrying the flag and said "it's history, part of history and it don't need to be swept under the rug."

Edgerton is from Asheville, North Carolina, where he's also the immediate past president of the N.A.A.C.P. there. His visit to Ringgold marks the five-year anniversary of the same march he made from Asheville to Austin Texas - 20 miles a day, six days a week.

He says he has no respect for modern day civil rights activists who as he puts it, trash the Confederate flag.

"Just pointing to those scally-wags like Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, who climbed into bed with these folks to increase their coffers to continue tainting and disturbing history," Edgerton said.

Two years ago many people packed Ringgold's city hall to protest the move by city leaders to get rid of the Confederate flag. It flies no more on the town poles.

Edgerton says many people don't understand that black men, alongside whites, fought for the Confederacy and the principals it was founded on.

"So here I am, trying to bring an understanding that there was folks who look like me who earned a place of honor and dignity here under this flag. And this flag is just as much for folks who look like me as any white man in the south land of America," Edgerton said.

[Non-Sequitur]

quotes from Southern leaders showing that their views of blacks were more enlightened than Lincoln's

Since Lincoln wasn't around after the war to express his opinions of blacks, let's go with a level playing field and stick with pre-rebellion quotes or quotes made during the war. Revisionism ran rampant among Southerners after the rebellion, and Forrest was no different. After the war one would have thought that slavery had never existed to begin with to hear him. Before the war the only thing he had to say about blacks was something along the lines of, "Sold! To the man over there in the blue suit." So if you have a similar quote by Forrest, or any other Southern leader made before or during the conflict that indicates a more enlightened view of the races then by all means please post it. In context.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest - the first true civil rights leader

ROTFLMAO!!!! And I suppose the Klan was actually a precursor to the NAACP?

You are well know on these threads as a spin-meister and it would be easy enough but too time consuming to link all of your spinning. Enough said.

In other words you can't.

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Why, I'd bet my two matched grays that if we were to draw a line in the sand, say east to west along the Potomac, that we could both, South and north, raise large armies that would be willing to engage in bitter combat, just like our forefathers, for no more of a reason than we just don't particularly like each other.

No, most of the country would think we were crazy if we did anything like that, and rightly so.

(Except this time we'd get West Virginia, Kentucky, part of Ohio, part of Indiana, part of Illinois and maybe some of Michigan.)

And why the big change? Anything to do with slavery?

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the FACTS ARE that about the same percentage of northerners & southerners owned slaves = 5-6%.

swattie, swattie, swattie, you have to put a date on such claims and it has to be a relevant one.

I really doubt the same percentage of Northerners and Southerners owned slaves in 1850 or 1860.

The 1860 date are available on line, and people can check it out for themselves.

Also, since total population numbers include children, they aren't as relevant as the number of slave owning households out of the total number of free households.

But really, swattie, you know all this and it doesn't matter a bit to you.

Go back into your hole, swattie, we've still got a few more weeks until you can come out.

[cowboyway]

So if you have a similar quote by Forrest, or any other Southern leader made before or during the conflict that indicates a more enlightened view of the races then by all means please post it.

You ask for a quote by a Southern leader and you get something that you don't like so you change the rules.

Typical non-sequitur spin and evasion.

So, you want a quote made before or during the conflict. Any other specifications before I get started? Let's get it all out there so that I can deal with your sorry ass once and for all.

Do you have any skin color preferences? Educational levels and field? Military or civilian? Gender? Sexual orientation? Southern locales? Age group? Naturalized or emigrant? Occupational? Point of ancestry? Mothers maiden name? Religious affiliation?

Let me help you out: You'll settle for a quote made in the fall of 1860 by a bisexual black woman from Clayton County Georgia between the ages of 90 and 90.5 with a PhD in theoretical physics and currently working as a librarian. She's also a practicing Druid who was born in Georgia but whose father comes from deep in the Congo and whose mothers maiden name was O'Calahan and, she retired from the Navy with the rank of commander.

Jeez......looks like you got me, pard............

Of course, there is this Stonewall Jackson, Champion of Black Literacy

Actions speak louder than words.

In other words you can't.

Of course I can. But, since everybody knows you, I don't have to.

Read the threads. Your 'handle' and 'spin' are synonymous. Problem is, you're just not good at it. Quite pathetic, actually.........

[cowboyway]

and Lincoln comes out looking pretty good. As men of the period like Frederick Douglass found.

So, Frederick Douglass is another one of your heroes. Interesting.

“In thinking of America, I sometimes find myself admiring her bright blue sky-her grand old woods-her fertile fields-her beautiful rivers-her mighty lakes and star-crowned mountains. But my rapture is soon checked when I remember that all is cursed with the infernal spirit of slave-holding and wrong; When I remember that with the waters of her noblest rivers, the tears of my brethren are borne to the ocean, disregarded and forgotten; That her most fertile fields drink daily of the warm blood of my outraged sisters, I am filled with unutterable loathing.”-----Frederick Douglass

Are you sure that you don't share a pew with Barack Obama to listen to Rev. Wright spew the same venom?

[stand watie]

actually, N-S is "The Minister of DAMNyankee PROPAGANDA". he KNOWS better but CHOOSES NOT to DO better, which is TYPICAL of a DY extremist.

anything that challenges their inbred PREJUDICES against the southland & southerners (of all sorts) MUST be reinforced otherwise their "house of cards" would fall flat.

free dixie,sw

[cowboyway]

Also, since total population numbers include children, they aren't as relevant as the number of slave owning households out of the total number of free households

You know x, you can't get just a little bit pregnant. Slave owning is slave owning; numbers are irrelevant.

[stand watie]

to "x": inasmuch as you "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT" about MOST WBTS subjects, we are not surprised that you "doubt" ANYTHING that conflicts with your inbred/ingrained PREJUDICES against the southland. furthermore, you are widely known as the LEAST intelligent/educated off the DY radicals that infest FR, so your OPINIONS (absent full PRIME SOURCE documentation) are deemed worth-LESS by most denizens of these threads.(sorry, but that TOO is FACT.)

to ALL: the FACTS are that what i said (as much as the DY radicals/extremists/HATERS/nitwits despise those facts) is CORRECT, throughout the entire period of lawful slavery in the USA.

furthermore, MANY northerners moved their slaves to the Caribbean islands & to Brazil, when slavery was unlawful here. MOST of the northern slavers did NOT free their slaves, as removing them from the USA was PROFITABLE! (PROFIT, rather than morality/decency/honesty has forever been the preferred position of the elitist/hypocritical north!)

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

So, Frederick Douglass is another one of your heroes. Interesting.

And I can certainly understand why you would dislike Frederick Douglass so. But I was referring to his eulogy of Lincoln which he gave at the dedication of the Freedman's memorial to Lincoln.

Are you sure that you don't share a pew with Barack Obama to listen to Rev. Wright spew the same venom?

If memory serves you've quoted from Innis Randolph's "Good Ol' Rebel Soldier" in the past, so I would think that Wright's opinions would be more in line with your own feelings than with mine.

[Non-Sequitur]

So, you want a quote made before or during the conflict. Any other specifications before I get started? Let's get it all out there so that I can deal with your sorry ass once and for all.

No. Before or during the rebellion will be fine.

Do you have any skin color preferences? Educational levels and field? Military or civilian? Gender? Sexual orientation? Southern locales? Age group? Naturalized or emigrant? Occupational? Point of ancestry? Mothers maiden name? Religious affiliation?

Well I'm talking about Southern leaders so that pretty much limits the skin tone, wouldn't you agree? Military or civilian is fine. Anywhere in the rebel states will do for locality. Leaders would indicate that age would have to be adult. As for sexual orientation, well, what ever floats your boat.

Stonewall Jackson, Champion of Black Literacy

See, this is another example of when it comes to Southern myths you will believe absolutely anything, no matter how idiotic it is. Stonewall Jackson, "Champion of Black Literacy". That is, to put it mildly, absolute bullshit. Not that that will stop you from swallowing it whole. Get your head out of Southron myth sites and actually read a book on the man some time. If you did that, for example if you read "Stonewall: A Biography of General Thomas J. Jackson" by Byron Farwell, you would know that the claims that Jackson taught slaves to read and write is completely false. And the reason we know this is that Jackson was a methodical man who conducted each class in accordance with a strict syllabus, which survived to this day and was quoted by Farwell. And reading lessons were not part of the class. In fact, any person who stopped and thought about it for a moment would also realize how ridiculous the claim is; Jackson might well have felt he could have taught his own slaves to read but someone with his strict opinions on right and wrong would never have presumed to teach someone elses property to read. If you had actually done some reading on the subject you would also know that Jackson didn't start the Sunday school, it had been organized before he was even a member of the church. You would also know that Sunday schools for slaves was not at all uncommon in the South, where all the major religions believed they had a duty to bring the teachings of Jesus Christ to their chattel. But you wouldn't know any of that because it doesn't interest you. Toomuch like work I guess. Easier to rely on fairy tales about Jackson and Forrest.

Of course I can. But, since everybody knows you, I don't have to.

If you could, then you would.

[x]

You know x, you can't get just a little bit pregnant. Slave owning is slave owning; numbers are irrelevant.

You guys have an answer evasion for everything. You spin and spin until people scarcely know what you're talking about any more.

swattie claimed that the percentage of Northerners who owned slaves was the same as the percentage of Southern slave owners. That was his claim and it was manifestly untrue, at least for the seventy years leading up to the Civil War.

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to "x": inasmuch as you "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT" about MOST WBTS subjects, we are not surprised that you "doubt" ANYTHING that conflicts with your inbred/ingrained PREJUDICES against the southland.

swattie, I love the Southland.

to ALL: the FACTS are that what i said (as much as the DY radicals/extremists/HATERS/nitwits despise those facts) is CORRECT, throughout the entire period of lawful slavery in the USA.

furthermore, MANY northerners moved their slaves to the Caribbean islands & to Brazil, when slavery was unlawful here. MOST of the northern slavers did NOT free their slaves, as removing them from the USA was PROFITABLE! (PROFIT, rather than morality/decency/honesty has forever been the preferred position of the elitist/hypocritical north!)

What the hell are you going on about? Have you fallen on your head again? Just what are your "facts" anyway?

[cowboyway]

You guys have an answer evasion for everything. You spin and spin until people scarcely know what you're talking about any more.

Where's the spin?

Slavery is slavery be it one or a million. Do you dispute that?

You yankees simply have a hard time accepting responsibility for the 'peculiar institution'.

[eyedigress]

I always found this interesting, you guys may have covered it already.

http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/Archives///////////news/13th_amendment.htm

[cowboyway]

I always found this interesting, you guys may have covered it already.

I do not recollect specific discussion of that letter.

What is the text of the letter?

Later in 1861, another proposed amendment, also numbered thirteen, was signed by President Lincoln. This was the only proposed amendment that was ever signed by a president. That resolve to amend read: "ARTICLE THIRTEEN, No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State." (In other words, President Lincoln had signed a resolve that would have permitted slavery, and upheld states' rights.) Only one State, Illinois, ratified this proposed amendment before the Civil War broke out in 1861.

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Where's the spin?

You claimed that "Yankees" brought the first slaves to the South.

swattie claimed that the proportion of slave owners in the North and in the South were the same.

Your claim was untrue. swattie's wasn't true for 19th century America.

So either you're ignorant or liars. But now you claim that any dispute is about "accepting responsibility for the 'peculiar institution'."

It's all a matter of those "Yankees" pretending to be all pure and all that. That's the spin.

You guys don't want to argue about anything factual. You just want to complain about how those Yankees think they're perfect.

Consequently you bring every discussion around to "You're not so pure after all."

I'm not aware that anyone here claimed to be perfect or pure. If someone did would that make false claims true?

It's pathetic the way you guys torture discussion and debate in order to feel good about yourselves.

[cowboyway]

You claimed that "Yankees" brought the first slaves to the South.

I said, "You yankees simply have a hard time accepting responsibility for the 'peculiar institution'."

It's all a matter of those "Yankees" pretending to be all pure and all that. That's the spin.

Wrong. It's a matter of yankees revising history to downplay their role in slavery. I don't need to spin; I have facts.

You guys don't want to argue about anything factual.

You're simply lying. The leader of your posse challenged me to produce one quote by a Southern leader that was sympathetic to blacks. I produced a quote by the most hated of all Southern leaders by you damnyankees: Nathan Bedford Forrest. This didn't suit his agenda so he used the standard damnyankee tactic; frame the question such the answer fits your agenda. (also a tactic used by the liberal media)

So you let me tell you something right now, xboy, I don't play by your rules so if you don't like the course of the discussion, then disappear most rikki-tic.

I'm not aware that anyone here claimed to be perfect or pure.

It comes across loud and clear in your condescending tones.

It's pathetic the way you guys torture discussion and debate in order to feel good about yourselves.

What's pathetic is you guys use of misinformation, lies, denial, accusatory language, slander and agenda driven responses in order to feel some sort of superiority over others which is the only you yankees can feel good about yourselves.

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You claimed that "Yankees" brought the first slaves to the South.

I said, "You yankees simply have a hard time accepting responsibility for the 'peculiar institution'."

You said this in the post I responded to earlier:

What you fail to realize is that the War for Southern Independence would have occured even if the first slave had never been brought to American soil by the yankee slave traders.

After I pointed out that "the first slave" hadn't been brought to America by "yankee slave traders" you didn't have much of a response.

So you let me tell you something right now, xboy, I don't play by your rules so if you don't like the course of the discussion, then disappear most rikki-tic.

You don't play by any accepted set of rules, so this discussion isn't going anywhere. But I have to wonder about this "disappear most rikki-tic". You turn every discussion into garbage, and drive people off so that you can crow about some sort of "victory."

It comes across loud and clear in your condescending tones.

Of course every "yankee" is condescending and it's only "yankees" who are ever that way.

Of course, you don't call your own patronizing language "condescending"

But really, people try to be patient with you folks, but you do all you can to aggravate and exasperate us.

[cowboyway]

What you fail to realize is that the War for Southern Independence would have occured even if the first slave a single had never been brought to American soil by the yankee slave traders.

Happy?

But I have to wonder about this "disappear most rikki-tic".

Simple. If you don't like the way I play, then find another sandbox to hurl your insults in.

Of course every "yankee" is condescending and it's only "yankees" who are ever that way.

Admission is the first road to healing. You'll feel better in the long run having finally admitted that.

But really, people try to be patient with you folks, but you do all you can to aggravate and exasperate us.

Just when I though that you were on the road to recovery you hurl more condescending language. "Try to be patient"..."you folks"...........you people are hopeless.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Later in 1861, another proposed amendment, also numbered thirteen, was signed by President Lincoln. This was the only proposed amendment that was ever signed by a president.

Actually it was Buchanan that signed the Corwin amendment, two days before Lincoln took office. Lincoln signed the OTHER 13th, the one that was actually ratified. He did approve of the Corwin amendment, saying "[H]olding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable."

Other presidents have signed other amendments since, but all of these are ceremonial only, since the president has no actual role in the amendment process.

We covered this particular document on this thread.