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Data recovery firm sounds Mac hard drive damage alert
Register Hardware UK ^ | 30th October 2007 11:52 GMT | By Tony Smith

Posted on 10/30/2007 3:05:40 PM PDT by Swordmaker

Data recovery company Retrodata has challenged Apple to come clean about what it claims is a "critical manufacturing flaw" affecting some hard drives used in MacBook laptops and desktops like the Mac Mini - an issue that could result in data loss.

According to Retrodata, its customers have sent in a much higher number of failed Seagate 2.5in SATA drives made in China and loaded with firmware version 7.01 than of any other current hard drive model.

"We're getting 20-30 times more failed drives of this kind than others," Retrodata chief Duncan Clarke told Register Hardware.

The drives of this kind sent to Retrodata for data recovery exhibited the same damage: the read/write heads have failed mechanically causing them to gouge deep scratches in the delicate data-storing surface of the disk platters. In almost all cases, this renders the drive useless.

And the drives in question all came from Apple machines, Clarke claimed. Retrodata only gets the drives, not the host computers, so Clarke couldn't specify exactly which Macs they came from, but since they're all 2.5in models, that suggests not only laptops like the MacBook and MacBook Pro, but also potentially desktop Macs that use laptop-oriented components, like the Mac Mini.


Damage to the disk surface

Clarke blamed the problem what he described as "poor quality control in Chinese hard drive factories" - an issue he maintained affects other hard drive makers in addition to Seagate. He also warned all hard drive buyers to avoid HDDs manufactured in China.

"We believe that any sizeable manufacturer would by this stage be aware of such a problem and issue a product recall notice, or an offer to have the drive exchanged for a suitable alternative at their own expense," Clarke added.

Users who find they have such a drive, Clarke said, should back up their data and consider replacing it with "an alternative drive, or a retail-version Seagate drive".

Mac OS X's System Profiler utility provides a way to identify the make and type of HDD installed in a Mac, but not directly its place of origin.

Apple and Seagate did not respond to our requests for comment.

A discussion thread on Apple's support site highlights a number of MacBook users who have experienced what appear to be hard drive failures. However, only five cases explicitly identify the failed drive as a Seagate model, and of these none can be stated categorically to be the product of Chinese factories.

Some of the failures are attributable - indirectly - to Mac OS X's Safe Sleep feature. This copies the contents of a laptop's memory to the hard drive whenever the computer is put to sleep.

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To be fair to Apple, it does warn users not to move the machine until this process is complete - at which point the light on the lid catch begins to pulsate - but it's easy for users to grab their laptops and go as soon as the lid's down.

Unfortunately, at that point, the drive's heads may by busily moving back and forth across the platters, and any movement risks the two physically touching, with the potential of data loss and even disc damage of the kind described by Retrodata. This is true of all hard disks, as proponents of solid-state storage like to point out.

Mac users can disable Safe Sleep by following Mac OS X Hints' procedure here. However, doing so risks losing data from memory should the laptop's power supply be cut.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
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All is not sweetness and light at Apple...
1 posted on 10/30/2007 3:05:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; akatel; Alexander Rubin; Amadeo; ...
Bad Hard Drives on MacBooks and MacBook Pros? PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 10/30/2007 3:10:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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These are Seagate 2.5" drives that are failing... you can find out what drive is in your MacBook or MacBook Pro by selecting "About the Mac" under the Apple on the menu bar... then select "More Info..." and then clicking on the "Serial-ATA" line item.

Mine is a Hitachi so it is probably not at risk for this failure.

4 posted on 10/30/2007 3:15:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

Matshita here. OH, AND LEOPARD ROCKS!


5 posted on 10/30/2007 3:21:27 PM PDT by afnamvet (Duncan Hunter: The consummate conservative. Duncan in '08!)
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To: Swordmaker

Hitachi here as well.


6 posted on 10/30/2007 3:32:31 PM PDT by rom (17" MacBook Pro. 30" Cinema Display. 1 Happy Programmer.)
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To: Swordmaker
Clarke blamed the problem what he described as "poor quality control in Chinese hard drive factories" - an issue he maintained affects other hard drive makers in addition to Seagate. He also warned all hard drive buyers to avoid HDDs manufactured in China.
...but he still managed to get a dig in at Apple in particular. Gee, I wonder that he's not grateful for the new business...
7 posted on 10/30/2007 4:06:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"...since they're all 2.5in models, that suggests not only laptops like the MacBook and MacBook Pro, but also potentially desktop Macs that use laptop-oriented components, like the Mac Mini."

Or iPods.

There's a whole hell of a lot of iPods out there.
8 posted on 10/30/2007 4:32:45 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: Swordmaker

Mashita also in my Mini. Can’t wait to get Leopard!


9 posted on 10/30/2007 4:36:49 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Big dog, big dog, bow-wow-wow! We'll crush crime, now, now, now!)
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Criminies ... I know China Mfg is a bit overly 'exuberant' in shipping anything out the door - but these Quality 'accidents' have passed the tripping point.

I'm quite the opposite of an Apple Kool-Aid drinker, but I can't lay this one on their doorstep. They contracted out for their Hard Drives. They sought a 'good cost', and they were led to believe their CM had competent Quality Controls. I guess I can fault them for being gullible, but these Quality incidents from products produced in mainland China are producing quite a stench.

10 posted on 10/30/2007 4:44:16 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Some of the failures are attributable - indirectly - to Mac OS X's Safe Sleep feature.

Safe Sleep is basically a more transparent version of Hibernate in Windows machines. What's functionally different that could set it apart? When I used to hibernate Windows laptops* I would, as a reasonable person, wait until the lights changed before moving the system.

* Until I found out that Windows would become unstable after a few hibernates, so I stopped using it.

11 posted on 10/30/2007 6:14:06 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Only the old iPods. Now they use IIRC 1.8” drives. But those are rarely actually spinning since the iPod quickly caches as much as possible of your play list in advance and then shuts the drive back down.


12 posted on 10/30/2007 6:16:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

MATSHITADVD-R UJ-835E

LEOPARD does rock.

Except I have to wipe an external drive before Time Machine will index files on it. I hope that works.


13 posted on 10/30/2007 7:09:29 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

iPods don’t use 2.5’’ hard drives. If they did, the devices would be almost comedic in their size.


14 posted on 10/30/2007 7:13:23 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Or iPods

I really don't think that too many iPod drives are sent in for data recovery.

15 posted on 10/30/2007 7:44:23 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Terpfen

Have you seen the Gen 1 iPods?


16 posted on 10/30/2007 7:46:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

Not in person, no.


17 posted on 10/30/2007 7:53:50 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Terpfen

Compared to today’s models, they’re huge.


18 posted on 10/30/2007 8:06:56 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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Oh, I bet. But 2.5’’ hard drive huge?


19 posted on 10/30/2007 8:14:58 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Swordmaker

what is ST910021AS: mean under serial ATA\?


20 posted on 10/30/2007 8:26:09 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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