Looks like Larry B. don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind
Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4
WHEN did Howard take them out of Daniel's pants? Only Shelley was present? How can that be? We need the entire scene.
So, I'm guessing that this event occurred AFTER the nurse found the two pills in Howard's bed and Howard found out about it.
If Shelley was such an enemy...Why was he at the hospital at all?
Wait a minute. After writing about the “gray area” concerning Daniel’s ingestion of the large amount of methadone, I just saw this from the Nassau Guardian article:
” ... Hearn believed that Smith meant to take the drugs. “Based on the amount in the stomach, it was not an attempt to get high. There is a high degree of probability it was an intentional ingestion.” ...”
“Intentional ingestion” but “not an attempt to get high.”
Is he saying he thinks suicide or what?
We don’t even know where Daniel’s jeans *were* at the time, don’t forget.
imo, Bonnie Stern is lying.
I am right now in kind of a shock at John McCain winning Florida and Gov. of California and Rudloph Giuliani endorsing him. He and Howie are two persons who are . . . I better not say what and get kicked off this site.
Since when does sleepy equate with death??
The kid had jet lag, was tired and stressed...probably more so because of the presence of Howard....who Danny had just talked about to the Detective.
Wasn't the detectives card in Danny's pocket, too?? Did Howard want that card...to see the name...to see who he was dealing with??
I hope the detective shows up at the inquest....and Martino.
bump!
Looks like Larry B. don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind
Yes, I really, really want to hear some Martino testimony under oath, instead of all the hearsay - what little of it there is. He could clear up a lot of things if he is truthful.
Mystery woman? Isn’t that the same Filipino girl he is always with - from KY?
I have no idea but I do like the way he’s eyeing that purse. Probably wondering if they will go well with his size 11 pumps.
Thanks - I know you mean well. I would never in a million years sign up for anything govt-wise.
They already told me long ago I would have to sign over to them or liquidate my one asset, which happens to be what I’ve managed to live off of for the past 4 nightmare years and hope to do so for many years to come.
I’m continuing to treat all this horror stuff as if it is temporary, even tho the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. I believe in my heart that I will get well and I will work again - I just don’t know how far away that “day” is; only the Lord does.
Thank you for caring about my safety!
Heh heh - maybe she’s bearding for him and carrying it.
He’s not sick.GRRRRRR
Come to think of it, the Filipino girl is friends with the KY girl who is his “personal asst” - she isn’t from KY herself.
She is the one who worked for “Josie” Eber - I think her name is Angelica or something close to that and the other one is Lisa. Don’t feel like looking it up right now, lol.
That’s how they get you. You give everything up and get on the gov’t dole. Do you have any children in another state? How about your friend who used to drive you around? I remember you mentioning (probably in the first thread..wow almost a year ago) that she had begun to act iffy.
i have an answer for you !!! - it's by liter:
methadone concentration of 0.74mg per litre in his blood.
"Dr Hern [sic] explained that, although resistance varies with each person, 0.15mg per litre could be enough to kill someone. The concentration is very rarely found to be above 1mg per litre, he said.
“This is the higher end,” he said. “That’s how I am able to say it is a lot.”
[or, in other words, enough to kill a small elephant or 5 or 6 daniels-imo]
The lab analysis found a residue that indicated the drug came from pills and not its liquid form.
As well as that concentration in the blood, there was still around 22mg of methadone in Daniel’s stomach that had not yet been absorbed by his system when he died. That in itself would have been “enough to kill him”.
Hern said he would have consumed at least two 10mg tablets but “it would not surprise me” if it had been four times that amount.
The amount was so large he could have passed out in as little as 10 minutes and died within two hours. “It’s not common for people in recreational use to take large quantities all at once,” Hern explained.
“In my study of drug abuse patients people don’t take such a quantity of pills to get high.
“They take one or two and if the effects are not there they may take more.”
He also indicated there were no “signs of tolerance” in Daniel’s system to indicate he was a habitual user.
Based on his 21 years of experience in the field, Dr Hern said it was his opinion it was an “intentional ingestion.”
But he said in order to suggest it amounted to suicide, Daniel’s case would require “self destructive statements or suicidal thoughts heard by people that were close to him.”
He added there is “certainly” the possibility that “one might not know what they were taking”.
Dr Hern said the methadone tablet is “water soluble” and although such a high quantity would taste bitter in a liquid “this could have been camouflaged”.
Speaking outside court, the attorney representing Anna Nicole’s mother Virgie Arthur, said Daniel did not express any thoughts of self-harm. “So what we are left with is homicide,” he said.
http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/01/30/anna-nicole-smiths-son-died-of-a-massive-methadone-overdose/
[credit for this link goes to a TMZ poster - thanks! poster :) great find! ]
NOTE: from previous information, we know that Daniel asked Howie baby why he was ‘so tired?”; from previous information we know that Daniel and his mother were OUT of the ROOM for a period of time prior to 5:30 am - a time when HKS would have been unobserved, and a time when Howie baby claims to have been ‘asleep’.
However, Howie would have to had been awake to hear Daniel’s declaration of ‘so tired?” - a statement that comes directly from Howie baby himself.
It would be logical to assume Howie was awake and the claim of ‘why so tired’ was made sometime after, but close to 5:30 am, which, iirc, was about the time the baby was removed to the nursery over Daniel’s protests. We have heard timeframes now of between 10 minutes and half-hour before Daniel would have succumbed to a fatal sleep, which further narrows the time when Daniel's statement to Howie could have been made. IMO JMO MOO
Sorry, all of that is a mystery to me, too.
Glad you got through the night and day safely.
Thanks for that article...It says Howard and Sheeley were moving Daniel’s clothes and the pills fell out and Howard flushed them. It appears the flushing was AFTER the nurse had dicovered the two pills in Howard’s hospital bed....because otherwise, why would the pills be a problem...as Howard said. I’ll bet they could have been batch matched to the ones found in the bed.
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