[GodGunsGuts]

ping

[MHGinTN]

Time to apply Feynman’s ‘excess radius’ don’tchaknow.

[dragnet2]

Institute for creation research?

>>Creation Cosmologies Solve Spacecraft Mystery by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.*<<

Hmmm.

The author of this also seems to mention his "book" he recently wrote in the article.

This does not seem to be reported from an independent source, but rather from someone with an interest, or possibly conflict here.

[Coyoteman]

From the article:

The upshot is that God's stretching of the fabric of space increases the speed of radio waves, the basis of radar measurements. Recall that in the first paragraph of this article, I said that it was "radar-like signals between earth and these spacecraft" that showed the changes in the spacecraft speeds. In the technical paper I show that the speeding up of the radio waves reduces the "radar" distance of the spacecraft below what is expected in precisely the right way as to explain the apparent deceleration. The Pioneer anomaly is the first evidence we have that the expansion of space is occurring today and locally, not just in the past and far away.

You've got to be kidding.

This is silly even for creationists.

[ConservativeMind]

I appreciate the attempt to use the Bible to explain such things, but it really seems hokey when, at the beginning of the report, the author states that because no one has come up with a scientific reason, that this automatically means it proves Creationism.

That is not a rational argument.

Just because no one has told me why my car is slowly leaking oil doesn’t mean fairies are tapping the bottom of it with spoons made from dandelions while nursing ants.

His argument makes about as much sense as that.

[FreePoster]

So the expanse started near the center of the large ball of water as a thin spherical layer separating a planet-size ball of water inside it from the much larger amount of water outside it (Genesis 1:7)

Wow, which translation is that?

[elephantlips]

This post is interesting and deserves contemplation. Theories, as it regards this highly complex field, are usually addressed by people who have some sense and knowledge of the subject matter.(Which I do not) What this is not, is an area which can indulge opinions as in, “I prefer red cars over blue cars,” or, “I like my steak rare as opposed to well done.” Unfortunately, there are too many of the latter. My heat shields are up.

[Captain Beyond]

bump

Thanks for posting link to article.

[balch3]

Bump!

[R_Kangel]

Deja vu

[Joya]

Ping.

[doc30]

Total Horse hockey. SO there’s some undetermined effect and the best you can come up with is ‘we don’t know so godidit.’ What a cop out!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

LOL!

This guy is always great for a good laugh.

[griffin]

btt

[allmendream]

I thought the Big Bang WAS in agreement with Creationist principles. You know.....”Let there be light” ...... “Creation of the Heavens and the Earth”. Wasn’t the position a few threads ago that ‘scientists opposed the Big Bang theory because they thought it was too in line with the Creation account of Genesis’. Which is it?

Once again, not just Biology that the Creationists have in their sights, but Astronomy, Archeology, Paleontology, Physics,Geology, etc, etc. As well as I.D.ists seeking to overturn the fundamental system of scientific inquiry and replace it with a system that is tantamount to Astrology according to one of its main proponents own admission.

Reality is not the opposite of spirituality. The fundamentals about God’s universe are not in conflict with HIM being the creator of said universe.

Isn’t the position of most Christians and Western Civilization proponents that it was the very Christian ideal of believing in a ordered universe governed by natural laws that laid the intellectual foundation that enabled Christian and Jewish Scientists to be among the first and best in the world? Why abandon the great intellectual tradition of such Scientists and Theologians such as Thomas Aquinas for blind unreasoning adherence to the literal interpretation of a poetic translation of the account God gave to man for the creation of the universe?

[RightWhale]

Cosmologies are metaphysical and if not blatantly crackpot are at least neither verifiable nor deniable. Unfortunately for science, these mathematical theories describing data of astronomical nature have been labeled cosmology, which is as appropriate as awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the latest version of the Population Bomb malthusian.

[gondramB]

Russell Humphreys is quite important.

Its one thing for someone with no knowledge of science to deny evolution and the age of the earth - my Grandmother did that until her death and it didn’t particularly hurt her - she didn’t keep her kids from going to engineering school or medical school.

But Humphreys is in a different category - he has enough science background that he starts to understand how the different parts of science are related. The earth’s surface isn’t consistent with being shaped by a single great flood so You have to deny geology and geophysics and thus the underpinnings of the oil and mining industries.

Since the universe is supposed to be less than 10,000 year this causes a problem with comets so Humprheys has to deny not just astro-physics but has to deny the existence of the Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt where comets come from.

Too much silt on the bottom of the ocean to be deposited in 5,000 years? Uh oh - there goes plate tectonics and subduction.

The earth’s magnet field is decreasing - Humprheys explains that as the planned end of the earth - it was never meant to last millions of years. To take this position he has to ignore the histeresis effect and the magentic record showing the earthc field has increased and decreased and even flipped upside down many times.

I could go on but basically Humphreys is very useful to science because he shows how starting as anti-evolution leads to massive science denial in dozens of fields.

[gondramB]

GGG, I apologize for pinging you to the above post - since we don’t get along on this issues I try to remember to unping you so it doesn’t seem like I looking to fight with you. But you post so many interesting things I hate to not respond at all. Best to you...

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794297/posts

“The so-called Pioneer anomaly showed up in the tracking data as a tiny deceleration for both spacecraft, even though they were heading in different directions. It was as if the Sun’s gravity was pulling a little harder than Newton’s laws predicted (see 13 things that do not make sense). The source of the deceleration has long been suspected to be heat escaping from the small nuclear generators onboard, known as RTGs (Radioisotope Thermal Generators). Previous analyses that claimed to rule out this effect have been contested.”

also...

Exotic cause of ‘Pioneer anomaly’ in doubt
NewScientist.com | 22 June 2007 | David Shiga
Posted on 06/26/2007 8:59:25 AM EDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856413/posts

[Eastbound]

Their pix resembles my model, except my space outside the sphere is ice. The inner area is water, which used to be ice. The vacuum is created when the center of the ice starts melting, making room for water and creating a vacuum and relatively empty space at the same time.