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So Derek Jacobi, thinks that Shakespeare's work are too great for one man to have written, so it must have been a group. It's much more implausible that one man didn't write them, considering how much consistency there is in style, subject, and certain subtext.
1 posted on 09/08/2007 9:31:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 09/08/2007 9:31:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Suppose that some other person(s) wrote all those works. Why would they let Shakespeare get the credit? No one doubts that there WAS a guy named Shakespeare...why would the real author(s) pick a schlub as a front man?


3 posted on 09/08/2007 9:38:46 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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Standard stuff. One man. One bullet. Nothing on the grassy knoll. Shakespeare did what lesser men think impossible because he was a genius.

Get over it!


4 posted on 09/08/2007 9:58:46 PM PDT by irv
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"I subscribe to the group theory. I don't think anybody could do it on their own," Jacobi said. "I think the leading light was probably de Vere, as I agree that an author writes about his own experiences, his own life and personalities."
Interesting, since de Vere died before Shakespeare stopped writing plays. Looks like acclaimed actor Derek Jacobi and former artistic director of Shakespeare's Globe Theater Mark Rylance, join gullible marks like Mark Twain, Orson Welles, Sir John Gielgud and Charlie Chaplin. Having recently read Twain's comments, I'd borrow from Robert Greene's 1592 condemnation of Shakespeare, and brand Clemens as mean-minded.

Ooh... Greene also referred to Shakespeare as Johannes factotum defined here as Johnny do-it-all (Jack of all Trades).

Regarding Shakespeare, I'd borrow from his younger contemporary, rival and friend Ben Jonson, who attributed the plays to William Shakespeare *by name*, and for good measure referred to him as "sweet swan of Avon".

Jonson also referred to Shakespeare as not being concise in his writing -- I guess the "secret identity" folks would have to attribute that remark to the "fact" that it was a committee which wrote the plays and the sonnets.

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5 posted on 09/08/2007 10:15:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Oh, fer cryin’ in the buttermilk. Jacobi himself has been referred to as a genius among actors. Does that mean it took a secret committee to do his acting, since it was clearly too rich and varied to be done by just one man?

Jacobi should know better, of all people. As should the others in that little list of doubters.

(And in actuality, even the layman can tell where Shakespeare’s hand has been diluted. Look at the last part of “Pericles, Prince of Tyre,” which was probably completed by someone else. Pure crap, compared to his other works.)


9 posted on 09/08/2007 10:41:04 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert
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It would appear that Clare Asquith does not belong to this group. Here is a link to an article by her concerning her thoughts and ponderings about Billy:

The Catholic Bard

10 posted on 09/09/2007 1:33:57 AM PDT by TotusTuus
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Have a not-so-high opinion of Shakespeare (not low, just not an opinion that Shakespeare was some sort of genius and that his--or ostensibly his--works are at the pinnacle of literature in the English language).

13 posted on 09/09/2007 5:33:12 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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I can’t believe Derek Jacobi would run around stating nonsense such as this.


14 posted on 09/09/2007 5:33:18 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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Six degrees of Francis Bacon?


16 posted on 09/09/2007 7:55:44 AM PDT by P.O.E. (School's back in session. Please watch for school buses.)
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I might as well come out now and claim credit for all of Bob Dylan's songs. Yes, it's true. I wrote all of Bob Dylan's songs. I compose them and then send them off to his manager so that he can record them with that godawful voice of his.

Now why would I choose some doofus nobody from Hibbing, Minnesota to take credit for all my works? (Check out his goofy high school picture here!) Well I hate dealing with all the crap that goes with being a folk/rock artist. I hate doing concerts, I hate interviews, I hate all the travel and I hate all the other BS that goes with being a recording artist. Let's just say that Bobby Zimmerman showed up in New York City at just the right time back in 1961. I was all set to hand all my songs over to Joan Baez - man, what a mistake that would have been.

Anyway, so I'd rather just write the songs and send them off to somebody else in exchange for a share in the royalties and concert grosses. That way I can lead an uncomplicated life and have plenty of time to write more songs to keep the gravy train rolling. Honestly, do you think I'd have time to write all these songs if I had to tour and record all the time like Bobby does? So this arrangement works out pretty well for the both of us.

17 posted on 09/09/2007 8:12:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 78 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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Dare I ???

I shall....

A Shakespearian work, signed by any other name... would still read as sweet.

= )


18 posted on 09/09/2007 8:14:37 AM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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Shakespeare was part owner of the theater and was one of its best actors. No doubt many participated in writing the plays, or rewriting parts, and the plays are certainly not completely new but are adaptations, but Shakespeare was very well known and there can be no question he was the main author.
Bacon?? That’s unreal.


19 posted on 09/09/2007 8:18:00 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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FreeRepublic now has the same subject matter as the Moist Board. HAHAHAHAHA !


20 posted on 09/09/2007 8:23:05 AM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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Coalition aims to expose

Fixed it.

21 posted on 09/09/2007 9:14:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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The plays were not written by Shakespeare, but by another man of the same name.


27 posted on 09/09/2007 12:12:12 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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commoner raised in an illiterate household

Sez who????

28 posted on 09/09/2007 12:52:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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I’m not that interested in “exposing” Shakespeare, just parodying him.


30 posted on 09/11/2007 12:54:20 PM PDT by TBP
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I’ve always told people that my favorite English playwright was Edward Devere, the Earl of Oxford. Only 5% of the folks I have mentioned this to understand what I am saying.


36 posted on 09/11/2007 7:59:06 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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He didn’t write ‘em; but after he died, his friends spent their own money to publish his works—under his name—so they wouldn’t be lost.

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37 posted on 09/11/2007 8:01:49 PM PDT by bannie
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