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To: tabor
I do believe Anna felt a lot of guilt

- it would have to be instilled guilt IMO We have a case of either one drug user (anna) two drug users (anna/stern) or three drug users (anna/stern/daniel). In Hollywood, FL, for four days, anna didn't have methadone wth her - could she also have Not had it with her during the time she was in the hospital? It doesn't seem unreasonable considering the Shelleys' testimony that Anna was relatively drug free thru the time they moved her to the Bahamas.

True, "Daniel accidently got the 'wrong' drink", is a valid question. As is who fixed that drink. But it shouldn't overshadow the question of, where did the pills in the bed/pocket come from and why were they there?

. And I won't agree with you that Daniel was a drug user. Only one surce of a quote saying he saw (Knew?) Daniel do drugs; Stern has been mute on the issue, And Anna exhibited extreme surprise at the autopsy results - that is why, she hired Wecht; Since Larry and Stern Currently Appear as sympathetic to each other, we cancel that testimony, and consider three geographically separate sources that colaborate that Daniel was a Not a methadone/drug user -the Grandmother, Daniel's Godmother, and, it's rumored, Martino. And then we add his own mother's testimony. that's four people that say he didn't.

If the pills were in Daniel's pocket during flight, why? Daniel was aspiring producer, considering the military..at 20 he'd be aware of the consequences of possession of illegal narcotics and the impact on his career and college grant eligibility. Would he risk blowing that?

- If we accept that Daniel didn't travel with drugs, WE can reasonably assume that if methadone was in the hospital room, we'd have some sort of 'duffel bag' or zip-purse, that could be hidden from the nursing staff and Daniel would have to find that without Stern or Anna seeing him.

If we accept Daniel didn't travel with drugs, and there were NO drugs at the hospital, then the only place Daniel could have obtained methadone from was the Horizons'.

doesn't make sense moment: Daniel was flying in for a permanent stay. Why would he put pills in his pocket frm the house, 'for later' when he knew he was returning to the home in a few hours anyway, and there was little supervision there? why get looped in a hospital room when he hadn't seen his mother in several months and had a new baby sister to play with and cuddle,(think Larry) when he could get looped any day of the week during the next week ?

Larry has been quoted recently that even though he and Anna were 'estranged', they still communicated by phone and emails around the time of the birth. if I were investigating, I'd like to learn more about phone/text/emails from Anna as to what she said to him about Daniel's death. Did she talk about 'sippy cups'? did she worry where the pills came from? I''d want to see about any emails/text/phone between he and Daniel, i.e., when was the last time he saw Daniel? what was the nature of their relationship in the five months prior when Daniel was in L.A. and Anna was in the Bahamas? Did Daniel approve of the sole custody suit being pursued against his mother? i.e, were they alienated? anything about Stern or Eroshevic? IMO those records alone could potentially be valuable to a case against [someone]

Anna could have a lot of guilt, but it would be of a different type, if there were no 'sippy cup' cocktails, and no drugs in the hospital. If there was no way for Daniel to have logically obtained PILLS in his pockets - her guilt would have been of a mother who couldn't protect her son from [someone] responsible for those pills being found on daniel's person/bed.

the loose pieces are -

a) origin of the otc medications

b) why Daniel's jeans were not included with the other garments in the ME 'envelope'?

7,281 posted on 04/22/2007 2:27:29 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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To: blueplum
Please remember that KE "Saw Daniel before he left for the Bahamas. He wasn't feeling well. He had an upset stomach". He was taking ??? (forgot).

I'm trying to imagine either one of my boys telling this old bag that they had a tummy ache". I do think there is a possibility that she gave him "something" that looked like a Tums...Maybe whatever Howard flushed was something from KE...and she told Howard to get rid of them. Need those damn phone calls.

After each death, didn't Howard call KE FIRST!!

7,342 posted on 04/22/2007 7:46:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: blueplum

I’ve asked myself all those questions, and it’s the most puzzling thing of all.I’ve tended to discount Daniel using drugs, but can’t rule it out entirely. Martino and Daniel’s friends hopefully will have the most info. I do discount Jackie Hatten, as I don’t think she was a friend of Anna’s for several years. I think Anna didn’t want anything to do with her. Jackie IS friends of Virgie’s and has told the PI a number of things which he repeated in interview, so I don’t know about him, either. How could Virgie know Daniel never tried/took drugs if she hadn’t had personal interaction with him for some time? Jackie telling her that means little to me. If Daniel did try drugs, I bet it was fairly recently and he may well not have been an abuser in the sense that we know Anna was. But, I just do not know.
Don’t forget what Larry said about Daniel stealing pills from Anna’s purse, either.
I know there were reports floating around that Daniel’s jeans were “missing,” but in other reading ( sorry, don’t have links) it appears that was not the case and the police did have them. Anyone know more?
As to the pills in the hospital bed, I’m going to wait until I hear testimony or reports of the testimony about that. That’s another thing that has floated around and supposedly comes from the Bahamian police report. Anyone know if that report is public, verbatim?


7,549 posted on 04/22/2007 9:00:52 PM PDT by tabor
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