Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

[mom4kittys]

Thread Number 3

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Just getting my 2 cents in....those lips are not natural...sorry. She had to have had something done. The results are not attractive. When have you ever seen a Caucasian with those sized lips? I think the FReeper with those “natural” comments was Lisa herself! ;) Hi Lisa!

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PS....Had Harry on one of my flights.

[Bronwynn]

"Funnier yet, that is exactly what Perper said! I couldn't believe he said it. Were we suppose to just say, "Well, that makes it ok then ... TY for clarification Perper!"

Well, pat yourself on the back then, because you passed the common sense test others seem to be struggling with.

The Medical Board doesn't conduct an investigation until either a legitimate, warranted complaint is made, or, even worse, they've subpoenaed the records themselves. Perper knows at least that much. He's also a lawyer. (By the way, has anyone ever dug up where this guy supposedly practices? Or is it just a shingle he hangs on the morgue wall for prospective personal injury cases for the next of kin to notice when they come in to identify the body?)

Anyway, if the CA Medical Board comes back with bad news for Eroshevich, it's also bad news for Lin Wood, for starters. Virgie will have her justice there in that she wasn't wrong in her thinking and subsequent claims to her attorney. She will have been vindicated in her beliefs and her attorney will have been doing his duty in reviewing her claims and verbally vouching for the credibility of her concerns. Especially now that we know that Stern's name was on most of that prescription list found in Smith's body post-mortem, where's the defamation if the CA Medical Board concurs?

I suspect Wood was hoping that everyone would hate Virgie from the bad publicity thus far and get a win from that alone. But the "Mommy Dearest" video says a lot more about the over-medicated state of Anna Nicole Smith then it says about Virgie Arthur. The video is also contradictory. One second she viciously looks into the camera and seethes, "Bring it on!" Then the next thing you know, it shows a daughter who describes how she cried for her mother while her baby was being born and how she called her mother crying when her son died! So which is it? Is this is an abusive mother? Then why leave your firstborn with the abuser for another 8 years?

These are things that make no sense to me at all.

[Bronwynn]

I believe you are correct. The provider has the phone records. If Stern uses the same provider as the number listed on his law profile, that's Verizon. I've already looked that up. That's not to say he doesn't have others however.

You *could* subpoena the records directly from Verizon through a court order as a matter of the discovery process.

There are also many private investigators who get those records by paying an insider to give it to them. It happens all the time from what the P.I.'s tell me. There's also a service online that does it, too. It's pretty big business.

[msgumshoe]

THe Feds have cracked down on companies that were slipping in the backdoor and getting private cell records... the company I was using for over 10 years went down in flames along with many others.

Can you still get those things? Yes ...but it is very expensive and you do need to know the right people.

[Rte66]

Without knowing for sure (as in firsthand), I was going to say the same thing.

I recall a company doing work for a PI on the Ramsey case that just called up and said they were the subscriber and got the records (credit card bills, too). They were later arrested and jailed, tho not sure about convictions and sentencing.

Seems like they were called “Dirty Deeds Done Cheap” or something like that. Maybe “Cheaply”? Naw. Maybe “Dirt Cheap,” lol.

[Rte66]

As paranoid as ANS and HKS proclaimed that they were about non-ET media and paparazzi, I always kind of pictured them using lots of disposable cell phones and just throwing them away.

I kinda figured that was what happened when ANS called Virgie after Daniel died and then when Virgie tried to call her back, the number had already been disconnected.

[Luvlyness]

The fact Perper is a lawyer makes this whole thing stink even more if you ask me! The autopsy report was obviously lacking on so many levels. Where should we begin?

The Hard Rock crime scene? The one he never went to but an assistant saw hours later?

The Interview list? The one that does not even include the first person to find her dead and/or close to it. (Brigitte Neven)

Any half decent lawyer could raise legitimate questions on that report and come out looking like Perry Mason LOL And to think we waited so long so it could be thorough! Ha!

You have raised some interesting points about how much Virgie was privy too after Daniel died. If what the nannies say is true then ANS blamed Howard and wanted him out of her life. The committment ceremony had already happened. It is scary to even think about the why! Common sense tells me it would be because HKS told her she would be in trouble too for the methadone and lose DL. Maybe Virgie’s prediction was ringing true all of a sudden? Would it be totally out of the question that ANS would reach out to Virgie who had law enforcement connections for help in a desperate situation? The nannnies said ANS was kept continually drugged but when she would “wake up” from time to time and find out HKS was still there she would tell him to get out. He would sweet talk her and give her more drugs then the cycle would start over again.

They (nannies) paint a very different picture of the HKS/ANS relationship than was represented to the public.

Ok, this is creepin’ me out so I am gonna save this theory to ponder at another time LOLOL

[nynjanais]

“If they don’t believe a crime has been committed, which they say they don’t, then there is no probable cause for the subpoena.”

Okay, thanks, that makes sense.

I guess the reality is that AT THIS POINT, none of the principals in this case - VA, LB, etc. have an interest in pursuing that concern re Daniel’s death or ANS’s and in that light obtaining what KE’s or HKS’ phone records might show.

I’m not criticizing or being cynical. I’m just saying that I think that’s the reality at this time. I don’t have any idea what, down the road, the DEA or CMB will do with this. The CMB might turn it over to the state or city Atty Genr’l if they conclude they have evidence pointing to a criminal, not just negligent action.

[Bronwynn]

You are quite correct! You have to know the right people.

The problem is that the people providing the information are the operators that work within the companies themselves. They are the ones selling the information. All one needs to do is know someone who will sell them the information. For the right price, they'll give you whatever you want. This includes corrupt law enforcement agencies as well, although everything you look up with them is now recorded thoroughly.

Awhile back I brought up this point when Stern hired Nazarian. He's the private investigator, remember? Some of those rants included suing internet users for libel. Well, you can't find out who they are without either a) a subpoena sanctioned by the court or b) getting that information via illegal means.

Heh. Maybe that's why he started with O'Quinn? ha!

[Rte66]

" ... (By the way, has anyone ever dug up where this guy supposedly practices? ..."

Both he and Cyril Wecht have law degrees in addition to their MD's. Perper got both of his at Hebrew U, his medical in 1960 and his law in 1966 (not sure what their designations are in Israel - i.e., MD, JD, whatever).

Perper then went on to 3 more years of post-grad work at Johns Hopkins in forensic pathology. His first three years working, he was an assistant M.E., then a Research Fellow, then a Chief M.E.

That all leads me to believe the law degree is just something helpful to the forensics part of the job path for government positions in public post-mortem pathology. I can't find any evidence that he has ever practiced law in the states where he has worked.

He is not a member of the FL Bar, either.

[Bronwynn]

I’m not familiar with disposable cell phones. Is that what happens when your minutes are up? The phone number becomes disconnected? That would make sense, good point.

[Rte66]

Oh, sorry if I wasn’t real clear. I thought y’all were bandying about the thought that “anyone” could go to court (as in media) and get the court to order the records.

As far as the Seminole PD, I’d like to think they *did* order the phone records or at least look over the hotel ones that they could get easily - they may not have done any search warrants for the others, tho.

And the subscriber can give permission to the phone company to turn over their own logs to LE, if they so choose, in order to prevent a search warrant. However, I feel certain HKS would not agree to that, so a warrant would’ve had to have been issued.

While theoretically, LE is not supposed to hold it against a “witness” or POI if they demand their rights, it still should have been looked at as “uncooperative” for their own internal investigative purposes.

If a warrant had been issued, then, under normal jurisdiction circumstances (as in not in Indian country), those warrants and their returns, if not sealed by the court, could be obtained in a FOIA.

“We” (any interested parties) still have the FL Attorney General to go to, if something occurs to sell him on the idea of re-opening the case. I hope something is going on behind-the-scenes in that regard, but I’m sure not counting on it.

[Rte66]

I’ve never used one, but I think you can just put more minutes in them with a credit card, so that the number is still good. You don’t *have to* throw them away, but they’re cheap enough that some people do.

[Bronwynn]

That all leads me to believe the law degree is just something helpful to the forensics part of the job path for government positions in public post-mortem pathology. I can't find any evidence that he has ever practiced law in the states where he has worked.

He is not a member of the FL Bar, either.

Excellent work as always, Rte66! I had a feeling he wasn't a practicing attorney. He seems to always make note of that and his other "titles" during several interviews.

That was a joke shot I threw at him about the shingle in the morgue, by the way. I know, I know. I need to work on my dry humor. ;0)

[Rte66]

No problem, I knew he didn’t actually hang a shingle anywhere, so I just laughed and kept rolling.

You know me, I’m the one who read the shocking story about Larry’s “gay lover” and commented that I was glad to hear the Birkheads are Baptist.

[Bronwynn]

"You know me, I’m the one who read the shocking story about Larry’s “gay lover” and commented that I was glad to hear the Birkheads are Baptist.

You know, I didn't even have the chance to look at that rumor. I saw you posted it but it will have to wait for tomorrow because it's time for sleep and I would rather not have nightmares. I will take your word for it though. Sure will be interesting tomorrow. It's amazing the things that come out at the 11th hour. Virgie is sorta-kinda incestual and Larry is sorta-kinda gay? What's next? ;0)

Good night, dear! lol

[Dr. Scarpetta]

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"MORE DIRT ON ANNA UNEARTHED"

"Parts of her are better off gone."

New York Post...Cindy Adams...4/20/07

ANNA Nicole dirt is still piling up. Comes now more diaries. Filthy. Beyond filthy. They could frizz your hair. Like those originals that I saw in February, which I reported on and which went for big money, this latest batch has been authenticated.

But while these new journals themselves are legit, their ownership isn't. Steven Woolf and Thomas Riccio of Universal Rarities, same guys who had rights to sell those earlier ones, were contacted by someone who'd been in her life previously.

They were offered three triple-rated, hard-core porn-laced diaries. The writing is clear. The provenance isn't. Hedging as to how, where and from whom these suddenly emerged, the jittery seller stammered "they're from an ex Anna boyfriend."

Immediately, lawyers for Howard K. Stern put Woolf and Riccio on notice that this was stolen property. Woolf and Riccio stopped negotiations, and the stuff's now for grabs on clips4sale.com.

How a celebrated female, the mother of a child, could set down such words, have such thoughts, perform such acts, then memorialize them on paper is not to be fathomed.

In these pages, she uses different names for herself which, you are told by those who apparently know, indicate she had multiple personalities.

She's "Robyn" when she's heavy-duty slutty, "Nicky" when she's depressed, "Vickie" when she's into family sagas and "Anna" when gift-wrapping herself as a movie star.

This Anna who reveals herself in these pages? It's best that she's no longer here.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/gossip/cindy/more_dirt_on_anna_unearthed_cindy_cindy_adams.htm

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[Dr. Scarpetta]

[Dr. Scarpetta]

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"Untrue Romance? Birkhead Denies Tale of Gay Relationship"

Larry Birkhead is flexing some legal muscle now that a former male model has claimed Anna Nicole Smith's baby daddy was once his lover.

Kerrick Ross, 38, tells The National Enquirer that he met Birkhead at a party in Louisville, Ky., in 2000. "He had a straight aura about him, which I liked," claims Ross. "We ended up having sex that night."

"We were together for about two months and had sex eight to 10 times," claims Ross. "He often spent the whole night with me."

Birkhead denies he and Ross had a gay relationship, and he's now hired Rotweiler libel lawyer Marty Singer.

But Enquirer editor David Perel maintains that Ross "has pased a rigorous polygraph test. We also obtained independent eyewitness confirmation of their relationship. We have more information that we haven't published."

Birkhead is said to worry that The Enquirer story could hurt him in his Bahamian custody battle with Smith's mother, Virgie Arthur, over daughter Dannielynn.

Says Perel: "We went to many legal experts who all said his having a gay relationship would have no bearing on the case."

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r_m/2007/04/19/2007-04-19_farewell_to_record_mogul_spins_some_grea.html

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