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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


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To: sodpoodle

I read through much of the O’Quinn deposition this week. There was a wealth of new information for us cybersleuths! Just as we were thinking this thread was winding down!!!

Anyway, here’s something that was news to me: Virgie’s FBI son called O’Quinn and said “Ma needs help, what can you do” (apologies to Texans for that interpretation). OQ is representing Virgie pro bono, yes folks, hundreds of thousands of manhours pro bono! Including his own Private Detective who has uncovered mucho, but OQ isn’t breathing one word of it. Lin Wood tried every which way to pry loose some of that PI data, but OQ was a true Texas gentleman who knows how to play lawyer poker.

So now we know: 1) the FBI is fully aware of this case through Virgie’s own child (and gives a damn obviously for calling in a big favor!); 2) there is relevant PI info that is still in play for the future, i.e., from OQ’s point of view, there’s more to come in this case between the Estate of ANS and VA; 3) HKS can now book free trips to and from LA and the Bahamas as Executor of the Estate; 4) HKS may have launced this nuisance suit against OQ to scare VA off, but we now know that she’s merely keeping counsel with OQ instead of trying to accomplish anything in the media (Toldyou, don’t worry, VA cares more than your inquisitive mind has been able to find).

And BTW, there’s plenty of info that a PI can find on each of us. I once worked for the Navy as a civilian employee (don’t ask what) and one of the Intelligence officers got onto the computer to show me all of the prescriptions one of the corps had gotten filled around town. How this was done, I do not know, but it was all done online. Yep, folks. There’s not much you can keep secret anymore.


15,081 posted on 08/26/2007 6:42:20 PM PDT by SundayGardener
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To: SundayGardener

RE: This HKS suit against O’Quinn, did O’Q ever make a statement that HE thought HKS murdered Daniel & ANS? As I recall, he only said that his client, Virgie, believed HKS was a murderer.


15,082 posted on 08/26/2007 9:33:38 PM PDT by lakey (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: toldyou
I watched the hearings every single day in Florida. She fought for her daughter to be buried in TX....that’s all....never for justice for Daniel and Anna....never for an investigation into their deaths.

I may have misspoke, toldyou, when I said 'hearing', because I was also referring to the interviews concerning the autopsy report etc. Remember how long it took Perper to complete his autopsy? There were interviews and comments daily. The hearing wasn't just about where to bury Anna...they were also deciding who would have 'guardianship' and that's when Seidlin made the mistake of naming Milstein. Also, do you remember when Seidlin told HKS, (paraphrasing) "Sit down, Stern. You had your chance when you came by my room"? This gives credence to the belief that Stern and his team were orchestrating the entire situation. Looking back, there were many acts that could very easily have given people every reason to suspect a deal. Seidlin should have been removed immediately for taking days for a hearing that could have been done in a matter of hours. This is an opinion given by many legal experts.

Virgie, when given an opportunity to speak, declared her love for her daughter. She told of warning "Vickie Lynn" she was in danger. I don't know what caused the estrangement between Virgie and Anna. I think it's obvious that neither ANS nor HKS had any respect for the truth. IMO, Stern is a psychopath, and he continuosly alienated ANS from her family and friends, because he had to be in control. It was obvious when she was making the dastardly comments to Virgie via a t.v. camera, that she was drugged, and who was there prompting her on? None other than the suspected psychopath, Howard K. Stern! (I'm protecting myself from Lin Wood.) Ironically, Birkead testified that HKS brought a bag of drugs to the hospital for ANS when they were trying to get her off drugs. Yet, this same Birkhead, after private meetings with HKS, began treating Virgie as despicably as HKS did. Previously, he and Virgie had been supportive of one another, but that quickly changed when his bitterest foe (HKS) became his best friend! I think once we learn why HKS changed from foe to best friend of LB , we'll have the answers to a lot of the questions surrounding these two deaths.

I'm not going to criticize Beth Twitty. However, the only comparison between her and Virgie Arthur is they both lost a daughter. Beth Twitty is an educated speech therapist and Virgie is an uneducated retired law enforcement employee. Beth had an educational and financial advantage that Virgie did not have. How one person reacts to grief is not written in stone. Some people grieve openly and loudly while another may seek to do their grieving quietly and privately. I am not implying that either lady did this...just an example of how unfair it is to expect everyone to react in the same way. Beth's daughter was young and had apparently brought much pleasure and pride to her family. Virgie's daughter was older and had not lived a life that a parent could be proud of, but that doesn't mean she wasn't loved! I think there are times people love their children "in spite of"; not "because of".

I hope this will help explain why some of us see things differently than others. I do believe we don't know the entire story about this matter yet, but we're each entitled to interpret it as it appears to us. If I'm proven wrong, I certainly won't hesitate to say so, but as of now, I still maintain my beliefs. :-)

15,083 posted on 08/26/2007 11:53:46 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne
The cases are so different that they are not really comparable. One death is attributed to "strangers". Anna and Danny's death are not "stranger" deaths...just unbelieveably "strange" as related to time and events.

Like I've said before, good thing that Howard got those pictures of Anna, Danny and Hannah a few hours before Danny died....and sold them...hot off the press. "The Director" did his thing just right and got a million bucks for it!!

15,084 posted on 08/27/2007 6:22:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau; Lizarde; Rte66; TrishaSC; gopheraj; Freedom'sWorthIt; fatima; Pepper777; Global2010; ...

Monday morning bump!

US magazine 9/3/07 issue has big spread on DL “Life without Mommy” cover page!!!! However, the side-bar mentions Virgie only to revive *control of her mother’s millions*

Virgie has seen Dannielynn only twice!!!! How about stating that Virgie has not “been allowed” to visit with DL???

Aghhhh!


15,085 posted on 08/27/2007 6:29:27 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Sacajaweau

“””pictures of Anna, Danny and Hannah a few hours before Danny died..””

Serial killers are known to keep souvenirs of their victims! Not sure that they get to sell them on ebay!

Poor Daniel, he must have been terrified during that trip..wonder if he took a mild tranquilizer to calm his nerves?


15,086 posted on 08/27/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
Wonder if KE gave Danny something before he left for the Bahamas. She said he had an "upset stomach". I still can't see Danny telling KE that he had a tummy ache and funny he didn't mention it to his mother.

I'm trying to remember WAY BACK and I thought Anna said that she thought Danny had a fever. Does anyone remember that??

I think Danny was "sick on arrival" having already been given something from KE....and Howard did the rest. The rest of what you might ask? :-)

Remember, ALL doctors have their own little medicine cabinet. I'd like to know a little more about KE and what she liked best in medical school. I think her first hubby got into "drug" trouble. Since she's in his league, she likely knew.

15,087 posted on 08/27/2007 8:23:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: sodpoodle
Why are there no pictures of Anna and Taz and Moe together anyplace??

Moe didn't look very happy at Anna's wedding.

Why no pictures of Anna and Gibson and Brigitte?

Who was with Brigitte and Gibson in Florida? I don't believe we know that at this late date.

15,088 posted on 08/27/2007 8:28:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

“””Wonder if KE gave Danny something before he left for the Bahamas...””

IIRC there was some reference to KE seeing Daniel before his flight to the Bahamas. Do you suppose Daniel still trusted KE, but not HKS?

We have to go back & find any statements that were made regarding Daniel’s visit...before his PI meeting was made public.


15,089 posted on 08/27/2007 8:31:38 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
It took us a long time to figure out "collusion" between KE and Howard because of too many unknowns. I think you're on the right track..and both Danny and Anna confided in KE and the info was conveyed by KE to Howard.

I think Danny was after Howard and so was Anna. Maybe Anna tried to or did reach Danny and her fear (the sound of her voice) gave him the nightmare. My son ALWAYS knows when something is really, really wrong.

15,090 posted on 08/27/2007 8:38:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

“””Why are there no pictures of Anna and Taz and Moe together anyplace?? Why no pictures of Anna and Gibson and Brigitte?”””

Because they were not where they claimed, or because the *Director* controlled the story boards, the camera & alibis. Would be interesting to know who had the camera(s) when Howie was in the photo(s)!


15,091 posted on 08/27/2007 8:39:28 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
I just love it that Howard was able to DOCUMENT Danny's death AFTER ANNA DIED. Talk about "prejudice" for the inquest. Bet he sent every potential juror a copy and/or will have it played in the Bahamas JUST BEFORE the inquest...if the inquest ever happens.
15,092 posted on 08/27/2007 8:44:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: sodpoodle
All photos are subject to editing besides the verbal input of the event.

One of the things that sticks out in my mind is the "I hate Mommy" video where Howard is IN THE PICTURE (twice) and he can be seen (twice)whispering to Anna to say "this is the message she (Anna) left on her mother's answering machine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Virgie saved it, that it preceeded the Keith Ablow show and that Virgie passed it to O'Q.

I'm glad you're joining me for coffee this AM!! I think you're GREAT!!

15,093 posted on 08/27/2007 8:50:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

“””Maybe Anna tried to or did reach Danny...”””

The Bahamian nannies are so important...they were probably the only folks that Anna could trust ....if & when she was capable of understanding her dire predicament. HK$ & KE fired them 2 months before Anna’s death.

When did Anna ask Ford Shelley (rather than KE) to *remove* sensitive stuff?

Notable silence from all the witnesses who, months ago, eagerly spoke out in TV interviews. Do you suppose they have been subpoenaed by Virgie’s legal team?


15,094 posted on 08/27/2007 8:53:04 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: mom4kittys

IBTZ!


15,095 posted on 08/27/2007 8:54:16 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: sodpoodle
I do believe there are "fearful" people who have talked to the media briefly and were ultimately contacted by O'Q's team and I believe O'Q has something...

Taz saying she believes they were "set up" is one of them.

15,096 posted on 08/27/2007 8:56:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

“””I’m glad you’re joining me for coffee this AM!!”””

LOL!

Becoming more like *tea for two*;)

I spend far too much time on this thread - spent one hour reading TMZ comments on the birthday party. Came away thinking *those people are NUTS*!!! (Yes we are!)

Driven to memory meltdown - need to review all the great timelines and transcripts and regroup!


15,097 posted on 08/27/2007 8:57:22 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
I think Shelley said something vague that may be fruitful: Referring to "something", he said "At the right time....

I'm still having trouble believing that Anna was computer literate.

15,098 posted on 08/27/2007 8:58:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: sodpoodle

You always have to go back to the beginning and the “impregnating” of Anna Nicole by a dude who didn’t wish to marry her because...well, just because. So why get her pregnant? MONEY!!


15,099 posted on 08/27/2007 9:01:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

Have chores - BBL

Keep looking;)


15,100 posted on 08/27/2007 9:03:32 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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