Posted on 02/14/2007 12:59:04 PM PST by aft_lizard
I really like Vista, it is very nice looking and has some neat gadgets and some appreciated security upgrades. However the once steady videocard company, renowned for its quality drivers, has really laid an egg with Vista.Because of nVidias inability to properly put forth quality drivers I am left with turning all of the eyecandy down on my system, not playing games and instead of letting my PC whisk gently off to sleep I have to shut it down anytime I am going to be away for such a period that the screensaver may be needed or sleep or hibernation modes are too be required, which sucks I like to just sit down and move my mouse and wa la my computer comes back on, or worst just push the power button and it instantly resumes. Not anymore I have boot from cold and wait the long loading time for it to boot, because Vistas load time is not as quick as XP's. Meh I shouldnt complain its a free computer and it sure as heck beats a Mac.
/soapbox
There, fixed it for myself.
Downloaded it already.
I guess I will just have to wait.
do the iMac...
I'm sitting here surfin FR, while I convert six mpg video files to MP4.H264 encoding. I'm also, at the same time, writing 24 Season 6 episodes to DVD's using iDVD.
If I tried this on my XP box it would blow up.
NO this isnt a overwrite, its a fresh install on a new computer that was a gift.
And yes I will give MS a pass. It is not up to MS to code everybodies drivers, it is up to companies to do it for themselves, freemarket and all of that stuff. The OS itself has not crashed, frozen, burped, farted or sneezed. In fact the OS remains perfectly operable while the video card takes a trip to the toilet.
DRM I could care less about, for one I am not a thief and two I am not using my computer as a DVR, or any sort of entertainment hub. Just give me the occasional game and I will work on excel and powerpoint.
Actually in September was when they released RC1 to the public, and the driver dev I believe goes back to last January. Alot of driver searches you will find people who are using the RC's(release candidates) which had limited, and in most cases experimental support.
Seen it done on a dual core opteron system, in fact I remember a story a while back that compared amd, intel and a mac and in h.264 encoding the amd system won. Weird.
Strange. All the reports are that Macs run Vista quite nicely, eye candy and all... and will run the PC Games you drool after. With the nVidia cards or even the integrated Intel® 950 graphics. Most reviewing pundits report that the Apples run Windows faster than any Windows PC they've used before.
Perhaps you need to try a Mac that was a built later than 1995?
You realize the Macs in question are in fact built the same as a intel PC, the difference being a special chip to identify the system so it can accept OSX. No sale.
Oh and I will never, ever use an IGP solution.
It robs system resources for a subpar performance.
Another thing I forgot, sorry, but in order for nVidia to run on Windows on a MAc on a intel pc it still needs the same drivers I have.
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
If you don't get it by reading the Executive Summary, you should scroll down to the Indirect Disabling of Functionality part, then read the Elimination of Unified Drivers part and the Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation part. Yes, nVidia probably does have problems getting completely functional drivers for every version/release/upgrade/service pack of Vista, but that is not really nVidia's fault, as you can read in the article. There probably isn't going to be any hardware company that is going to get it right, because the OS software won't let them get it right. Read the part about Increased Hardware Costs and security/DRM having to be approved by "Hollywood and other content owners", rather than technicians and security experts.
Gutmann states that "This document looks purely at the cost of the technical portions of Vista's content protection" not the "political issues". He also states "Vista's content protection must be able to violate the laws of physics, something that's unlikely to happen..."
Go ahead and scream and kick and cry about everything except the OS... all you do is exhibit your abject ignorance to all and sundry. You can try to blame the hardware/driver suppliers all you want, but in the end it is technically impossible for them to provide reliable, quality products for this OS. Some may have a system that actually works, because their particular build/release of Vista just happened to get installed on marginally compatible hardware with marginally functional drivers/firmware, but that won't last long. As soon as the first "update" is loaded without the user's knowledge, things start to break.
You can drink all the MS koolaid you want, but technically this OS version is not going to work, and it may put some hardware manufacturers out of business through no fault of their own because they tried to "comply" with the OS requirements.
Have fun with your anti-nVidia rants. Have fun with all the problems you are going to have with Vista. And believe me, it will be Vista that is the problem, not the hardware/drivers/applications. I can't wait to hear your rant about how some hardware/application "blew up" your computer, or shut down/deleted your application, or outputs a fuzzy image or krappy sound... or no sound or video at all. And when Vista shuts down your hardware, applications and deletes your files. I'm sure it will always be everything else's fault but Vista's. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Yup, class action lawsuits against the hardware manufacturer because they cannot possibly comply with the OS/MS requirements. I agree, nVidia labeled some video cards as Vista ready/compliant, when they should never have even released a piece of hardware for the OS.
It would also help your credibility (such as it is) if you'd learn to spell and use reasonably understandable grammar and punctuation, so people could try to understand what you are writing. As it is, you come off as an illiterate who probably has trouble finding the on/off switch on the computer, so no wonder you have problems having drank the MS koolaid. Examples: learn the difference between to/too, their/there, just for a start.
There is a question of engineering choices... and superb engineering can make a big difference. You still speak from outdated information and are therefore ignorant of the modern Macs. I am not.
You sit here and complain about your brand new computer that cannot properly handle the latest operating system designed for it... and ignore an option that does more and runs that operating system, for which it was not designed for, flawlessly with the graphics cards yours is choking on. Does that make sense?
Then how come all reports say it runs fine... no problems???
What name did I call anybody?
Yeah, last summer I was considering building an AMD X dual core system...with the super PCI express etc. After reading and researching, I just got the iMac 20 Intel dual core. Haven't been disappointed. Yeah, it has crashed a couple times playing video games but so does my XP box. I just turn off the dual monitor and it stays up.
So now, I have my XP box to record TV programs and my wife does email and bills and stuff.
OK NOw I just read your ridiculous rant.
You seem to be taking the position that because Vista is the OS it is therefore the sole reason that anything will go wrong. You say its not nVidias fault, yet nVidia has admitted it is wrong and is working on a solution. You say I will blame everybody but microsoft, yet you dont know me, you didnt see me throw my Windows ME Pc off of my second story apartment because it had the worse OS in the history of OS's. I dont care for the amount of security issues with XP. I am just not an ignorant fool who thinks that a company who releases a product specifically for another should require the other company to fix its problems. No sir, the OS is new, the problem is not its problem its the vendors fault. Take five minutes out of your day and go read alittle about it.
I just personally prefer the wide range customizablity you get with a PC.
Now if there is one OS I would like to see again is the BeOS, it was very smooth and quick but nobody supported it.
As for DRM, whether you are going to use it for DVR or any other media viewing is irrelevant cause its in there, and it does directly tie into the video subsystem. It has to.
As for RC's yes they've been out a while, but at some point they have to lock down certain portions and say (for example device vendors) write to this, this is what we're shipping. A lot can change from when they first got a look at it and when redmond locks it. Now if a vendor has a very small product line up and little legacy to support, that might not be as big an issue. When you get into guys like nVidia, ATI and Creative, to name but a few, then it becomes one.
Either way, there is no excuse for such crappy results for an OS with a 20-year history and a leading video card company. This is, relatively speaking, pretty basic stuff we're talking about - and it all seems to be falling apart at the seams from Day 1.
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