Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
Its fall, the temperature is falling, the leaves are turning and with November here, we have some repeats to watch on the cable networks.
The History Channel will show one of their favorites, ABCs documentary Beyond Conspiracy featuring Peter Jennings and a computer animation which shows a bullet that hit President Kennedys back four inches below his collar but then the bullet allegedly exited his neck after nicking the upper part of the knot of his tie, and then it goes down at approximately a 25 degree down angle to hit Governor Connally in his back. Its amazing what computers can show.
Well also most likely see the Discovery Channels explanation of the assassination in Beyond the Magic Bullet. This show also features Dale Meyers computer animation, the same one used in Beyond Conspiracy. The show goes beyond the previous documentary as the producers go to Australia to get an expert shooter to attempt to duplicate the magic bullet, the shot that hit both JFK and Governor Connally. The shots they fire are aimed at figures composed of material which act like human muscle and bone when a bullet is fired into them.
Both of these shows think they proved the magic bullet theory is true.
Watch the digitized and stablilized Zapruder Film
The Closeup Zapruder Film with Frame #
For over 40 years weve heard and seen documentaries which talk about strange details in the JFK assassination investigation and reports. We first had the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson with the main purpose to show that a lone gunman fired three shots at the limousine and wounded JFK, Governor Connally and a bystander too. We then had the House Subcommittee on Assassinations investigation in 1978 which investigated additional evidence in part because the Zapruder film was first shown to the American public on night TV in 1975. One of the newer pieces of evidence was the finding that the Dallas Police radio channel recorded a stuck open microphone during the time of the assassination and may have actually recorded the actual gunshots.
In 1991 the movie JFK again ignited the publics curiosity about the assassination with back and to the right along with witnesses saying they saw another gunman. The government again responded and gave us the Records Review Act which released even more information about the murder. In 1997, the Zapruder film was digitized and now we can see even more details in the film. And in 2001, a statistical analysis was published concerning the Dallas Police recording with the finding there were five shots captured by the recording. A gunshot and its reflections off objects is like a fingerprint in that its fairly unique and dependent on where the shooter is and where the microphone is that captured the sounds, and the objects such as buildings that the sounds reflect off of.
Although weve heard about discrepancies for years in documentaries such as the Men Who Killed Kennedy, weve also had some documentaries disappear from the airways as the History Channel found them not to be accurate such as the Guilty Men, a documentary that fingered Vice-President Johnson and other cronies in a Texas murder ring.
The story in my opinion will not die as so many of the facts dont seem to fit reality. We need to see something that makes sense.
Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht that one assumption made in the killing had led virtually everyone to make incorrect conclusions in the case. That assumption is that all of Governor Connallys wounds were caused by one bullet when in fact Governor Connally was wounded by two separate shots which were both fired from the Texas School Book Depository. Dr. Wechts questions and observations led me to do more research which Im still working on.
But what I want to show you today is when Governor Connally was wounded, something that has never been shown correctly on any of the documentaries or in any of the books that Ive reviewed. You see, experts such as Dr. Wecht have been arguing about what did not happen. Instead, lets show you what actually did happen.
To do that, I think the best place to start is with the last shot.
To briefly familiarize you with the Zapruder Film frame numbers, Z frame number 313 will be called Z313. The following are a few major frame numbers for familiarization.
Z=133 We first see the Limo in the film
Z=160 Some theorize the first shot from the Texas School Book Depository, we see Gov. Connallys head movement to the right shortly afterwards
Z=220 We first see President Kennedy emerge from behind the sign, clutching his throat and obviously wounded
Z=223 Governor Connally reacts to his first wound
Z=220 to Z=324 Governor Connally turns to look over his shoulder toward what he thinks are gunshots
Z=313 We see the fatal shot to President Kennedy
Z=325 Governor Connally is hit in the back and driven forward
With the film speed of 18.3 frames/second, things happened quickly, too quick for 1960s technology and the lack of accurate information they had to extract the truth. What we can see now in individual frames captured and edited was not possible even a few years ago when everything was analogue. And of course, nobody looked at Governor Connally closely after JFK's head shot at Z=313. Most everyone was sure all the serious action was over.
To those of you who remember the basic scenarios of the Warren Commission and the other numerous theories, the descriptions shown above concerning Connallys wounds are new. And as Ill show you, it isnt a theory, its the only times Governor Connally could have been wounded in the eight seconds from the first shot until the last was fired.
With literally thousands of books and hour after hour of documentaries on what must surely be the most investigated murder in history, at this time lets concentrate on Governor Connallys wounds. Once you understand the only way possible that Governor Connally could have been wounded based on the facts we have, then not only can we understand how both men were wounded, it will once and for all reveal how the Guilty Men pulled this off.
The first question concerns the last shot shown above at Z=325. The Warren Commission concluded the last shot was the fatal head shot at Z=313 but was faced with testimony such as one of the best witnesses, Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman who sat in the Limo directly in front of Governor Connally. During his Warren Commission testimony, Kellerman spoke of the ending of the shooting as a flurry of shots. When pressed for how many, he said two. He described the spacing of the last two shots as bang-bang. When Arlen Specter pressed him again, he said it was like an airplane breaking the sound barrier (the front of the plane breaks the sound barrier before the rear of the plane, hence you hear bang-bang also).
When Arlen Specter asked the spacing between the first shot and the flurry of shots, Kellerman said three to five seconds.
When we look at the Zapruder film, we see at Z=325 the collapse forward and downward movement of Connallys head. Looking at the sequence in real time, we see Connally driven quickly forward with his head snapping forward when he is shot. Further confirmation is given when you look at the analysis of the Dallas Police Recording. The difference between the Z=313 shot and the last shot is 0.7 seconds or approximately 12 frames.
We now have a credible witness, a recording, and the best motion picture of the assassination showing agreement that a shot was fired at Z=325.
But listen to a recent explanation of the Zapruder film factoring in the Dallas Police Recording. The reasons for Dr. Thomas' confusion and his trying to cling to the Warren Commission's are easily explained, but I'll leave that for later. Listen to the description of the last shot, "fired almost simultaneously" but they didn't even look to see what it might have done.
The Zapruder Film and the Dallas Police Recording per the Main Stream Media
A Warren Commission supporter will tell you that Governor Connally could not have been shot after Kennedy was shot because his leg wound does not line up with the shot trajectory through his body and through his right wrist. And, of course, there were only three bullets fired from the TSBD.
The hole in their argument is that Connally was indeed wounded earlier by a bullet fragment which entered Governor Connallys leg. And note the importance of the fact to this investigation that it was a bullet fragment, not an intact bullet. That Connally was hit by a bullet fragment to his left leg is well documented but many of todays documentaries incorrectly describe that the left leg wound was caused by an intact bullet which then fell out of his leg later at the hospital.
Three bullet fragments were found under Nellie Connallys seat (CE840), who sat directly to the left of Governor Connally. Its therefore credible that the bullet fragment that John Connallys left leg is from the CE840 shot.
To test this theory against the Warren Commissions, I took some of the better known observations in the JFK assassination list and compared the Z=325 scenario against the Warren Commission scenario. This is a quick way to see how facts fit against both theories.
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Observation
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Warren Commission Three Shots |
Z=325 Shot to Connallys back |
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Connally turns in his seat and looks back at JFK Z=230 to Z=324 |
No (1) |
Yes |
Connally holds hat in his hand until at least Z=325 |
No |
Yes |
Nellie and John Connally both said John Was shot after JFKs first wound (3) |
No |
Yes |
Connally falls forward as he describes in later Interviews when he is shot |
No |
Yes |
Three shots were fired from the TSBD |
Yes |
Yes |
Several Witnesses saw shooter(s) at the Grassy Knoll |
No |
Yes |
Agrees with Dallas Police Recording |
No |
Yes |
Kellerman Described flurry of shots |
No |
Yes |
JFK and Connally both react to Z=222 shot |
Yes |
Yes |
Connally bullet left wide scar to his back like the bullet was tumbling |
Yes (4) |
No |
Bullet to JFKs back did not have a point of exit (5). |
No |
Yes |
(1) If seriously wounded at approximately Z=220, this turn would be incredible for a man wounded so seriously.
(2) Connallys right wrist is allegedly broken by the shot at Z=220, its not reasonable to believe he could hold his hat for over 5 seconds
(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK. At a showing of the Zapruder film, John Connally guessed that he was wounded closer to Z=238. If the Dallas Police recording is valid, there is no shot fired at that time. Roy Kellermans testimony also stated that it was 3-5 seconds before the last two shots after the first.
(4) The Single Bullet supporters such as Dr. Latimer use this as support that the bullet which hit Gov. Connally in the back struck something else first. Experimental shots show that a bullet passing through tissue like JFKs upper body tends to roll over; hence the wider scar that was left in Gov. Connallys back. This is not proof, however, that the bullet struck something else before it entered John Connallys back.
(5) FBI agent ONeal described the autopsy discovery of the bullet wound to Kennedys back and then said no point of exit was discovered by probing with both the doctors finger and instruments.
The above table indicates based on some of the information commonly discussed concerning the assassination that the Z=325 scenario has merit. When you look at the location of the shot to JFKs back (four inches below the collar) and the fact that after exiting his neck, the bullet next has to be traveling at a 25 degree down angle; this is probably the major reason the single bullet theory has been so disbelieved.
Is that enough of an introduction? Ill tell you later the rest of the story as for this to be credible, there had to be at least six shots with three different shooters according to one of the doctors involved in the Warren Commission investigation. But as Ive shown so far, Governor Connallys left leg wound was caused by a bullet which fragmented and hit both JFK and Governor Connally.
That reduces to five shots and three different shooters, three shots from the TSBD and two shots from the front of the limo, fired by two different shooters. And funny thing is, there were witnesses who saw them!
To give you a hint about the rest of the story, in Tip ONeals book, The Man of the House he discusses a conversation with JFK aid Kenny ODonnell who said he was quite sure there were two shot fired from the front. ODonnell also tells why he did not tell the Warren Commission what he saw and heard when he testified.
The cover-up and the misinformation supplied by the government is as interesting as the shooting analysis itself. You see, for the government to get the investigation this wrong with testimony so clear, there had to be some interesting arm twisting going on. Arlen Specter, do you even today have a clue what you did? And Gerald Ford, the lone surviving member of the Warren Commission, you have to know something, dont you? Or did both of you keep your heads buried in the sand as you were manipulated by the Guilty Men? The truth is buried in a Conspiracy of Silence, just like Dr. Crenshaw said in the first book I read on the subject.
And how could the major news media keep getting this so wrong? "We" will deal with you later.
If you check Tip ONeals book, The Man of the House, youll see that he talks about Kenny ODonnells description in the book of two shots that were fired from the front. Since ODonnell was in one of the cars behind JFKs, he had a unique position and describes later to Tip ONeal why he did not tell what he saw correctly to the Warren Commission.
Now lets look at the individual frames and see Connellys head snap downward immediately after the bullet hits him in the back. I drew a white line through the back of his head in each frame to make the rapid movement of his head clearer. This is the first time to my knowledge that this head movement has been documented. With 18.2 frames per second, it would be virtually impossible for Connallys head to collapse without an external force.
Z=324
Z=325
Z=326
Z=327
Z=328
Now that you see in just a couple of frames how Governor Connally's head rolled down as he was ducking forward from the Z=313 shot that hit JFK in the head, listen to his description of how he was thrown forward as he was shot in the back.
A interview with Connally describing how he was shot
As you listen to Connally's description, the part about how he was hit in the back and thrown forward by the force of the bullet agrees with the Z=325 shot to Connally's back scenario very well, but then Govenor Connally goes on to describe how he then hears the fatal shot to JFK's head.
One of the reasons that this issue has been so confusing for so long is that many of the witnesses only got parts of what they said correct. Governor Connally, for example, did not see the head shot to President Kennedy as he was looking forward as he was turning to look over his left shoulder but he clearly says in his interview clip that JFK was shot after his back wound was received. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman says he heard one shot followed by 3-5 seconds then two shots, bang-bang. Kellerman argues with Specter later trying to reason there had to be more shots than three but Kellerman never says he heard more than three. The shots Kellerman identifies are number 3, 4 and 5. Shot 3 fragments and hits both JFK and wounds Connally in the left leg with a bullet fragment, shot 4 is the fatal head shot at Z=313, and shot 5 is the shot to Connally's back at Z=325.
And later when other details are explained, the actual killers will be exposed. No investigation could get this so wrong without some serious arm twisting.
No it wasn't.
When I say pristine, it wasn't shattered, mushroomed, chopped off, etc, the way a bullet should be having been where it was said that bullet went.
Yes it was. Test shots reproducing the appropriate conditions have in fact produced bullets that were even *less* deformed than the JFK bullet was.
It was SLIGHTLY misshapen, like what would happen had the rifle been test fired into a pool.
...or like a bullet which had passed through multiple inches of human flesh before eventually striking bone at a much reduced velocity.
You can still find pictures of it.
Yes, and they are consistent with the misnamed "magic bullet" scenario.
Note the crease on the nose, and the warping of the side (the lower portion as oriented in the picture) and the flattened surface directly facing the camera.
Here's a close-up of the tail end of the bullet:
Note how much the lead is deformed and cracked by the bullet's deformation.
Calling this bullet "pristine" is a gross misrepresentation.
More to the point, Dr. Fackler and Failure Analaysis did tests to determine the actual amount of deformation on Carcano rounds under conditions similar to the JFK shooting.
Results of these and other actual firing tests: A Carcano bullet passing through Kennedy's neck at full velocity (it hit no bone passing through JFK) was not deformed at all after passing through an appropriate amount of goat skin and meat. Another shot at full velocity (which exceeded the case for Connally, the bullet would have lost velocity passing through JFK) at an anesthetized goat striking the rib of the goat had only a slight flattening, similar to CE 399, the not-so-pristine bullet.
After passing through JFK's neck and Connally's chest and grazing his rib, the bullet would have a lowered remaining velocity. Tests using a Carcano bullet at a reduced 1100 feet per second (consistent with the expedted velocity loss -- actually best estimates are 900fps) into the wrist of a cadaver resulted in a bullet that was *non-deformed* and was *not flattened in the least*, and had nowhere near the level of damage of CE 399.
The 6.5mm Carcano round is a big, heavy bullet, and it had traversed the thicknesses of *two* bodies before it struck any bone.
The amount of damage on the "magic bullet" is entirely consistent with the damage expected for the trajectory it took.
I will have to study this one. Thanks for posting this.
I tried to keep it simple. The ONLY real purpose of writing this on the web is to see IF there is enough information for a reasonable person to BELIEVE that John Connally was wounded by two separate shots, and that the last shot fired that day hit Connally 0.7 seconds AFTER Kennedy's fatal head shot.
Now, with the Government having conducted two major investigations, the Warren Commission in 1964 and the House Subcommittee on Assassinations in 1978, $millions have been spent trying to determine IF there were multiple shooters.
I've done technical investigations and WHEN you get so many diverse indications that something happened, and it is the most REASONABLE scenario, then you can hang you hat on it.
There's a lot more information to support this sceanario and that's because it IS EXACTLY what happened, and there is NO doubt. Nothing else is REASONABLE and that's why we've been subjected to the silliness on TV every November.
IT's time to tell them to get it right.
Then you're either not using them very well, or misunderstanding the events on the day of the shooting of JFK.
The Warren Commission was mistaken about how quickly the shots were fired. They thought the shots were fired in an elapsed time of between 4.8 and 5.6 seconds.
The problem with trying to reproduce *that* scenario is that the Warren Commission was wrong. Later analysis of the Zapruder film and other evidence clearly indicates that the three shots occurred over an elapsed time of 8.3 seconds. The first shot was fired, then 3.5 seconds later the second shot was fired, and then 4.8 seconds later the third shot was fired.
Firing three shots in 8.3 seconds is not difficult with a bolt-action rifle.
CBS, for example, reconstructed the shooting for a 1975 documentary. Eleven volunteer marksmen took turns firing three bullets at a moving target. None of them had practice with the Carcano's bolt action, as Osald had had almost daily in New Orleans. Yet the average performance was 5.6 seconds, with two out of three hits on the target.
Other reconstructions by other groups have achieved similar results. Hell, *I* could have made those shots. With the 4X scope Oswald was using, JFK was an effective 25 yards away at the time of the shots -- an easy shot with a rifle, especially when braced on boxes as Oswald's rifle was. Furthermore, while it's true the car was moving, it was not moving very fast, and it was moving directly *away* from Oswald, reducing its apparent motion to almost zero. And it helps that shooting from an elevation tends to cause a shot to land high, while the motion of the car would have caused an unlead shot to land low -- each effect would help to cancel the other.
Any conspiracy theorist who claims that the shots were "impossible" or "have never been duplicated" is simply grossly misinformed.
From an older post of mine on the topic:
As for the firing angle...I posted citations to specific tests detailing the nature of the tests and with sufficient information for you to look them up if you doubt my description. Are you going to try to tell us with a straight face that *this* wasn't specific enough for you to determine the nature of the tests, or look them up to find more detail if you chose?
[From my post #127:] For example, CBS reconstructed the shooting for a 1975 [typo, should be 1967] documentary. Eleven volunteers took three shots each at a moving target using a Carcano rifle, without even doing any prior practice on that model of rifle. Their times ranges from 4.1 seconds (total) to slightly more than 6 seconds, with the average being 5.6 seconds and 2 hits out of 3. Furthermore, the House Select Committee in 1977 did a reconstruction and found that their test shooter could hit all targets with 1.66 seconds between shots.What more do you want, for me to pull up a chair for you and help you figure out how to load a videotape of them? Do your own homework if you want to start casting about for excuses why the recreations weren't "good" enough, so that you can try to get yourself off this hook by some lawyerly weaseling.Oh hell, here's more detailed information for you from the HSCA recreation for you, maybe you'll give it up... The tests were conducted from an elevated platform, at targets situated at distances of 143, 165, and 266 feet from the tower, the presumed distances of the three JFK shots. Furthermore:
"Each officer fired two series of three shots and Cornwell and I eac fired one series of two shots.As for the CBS test ("CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report", a four part documentary first aired on June 25 1967), one of their volunteers, Howard Donahue, not only made three shots in less than six seconds with a Carcano, he HIT WITH ALL THREE SHOTS. The CBS test was even done through a window 60 feet up, not just a raised platform, at a target on a moving sled. I'm sorry, what's that you were saying about "no one" ever duplicating the JFK shooting?The test established the following:
The weapon can be quite accurately fired more rapidly using open iron sights than the FBI tests in 1963 indicated, where the telescopic sight was used. For example, Officer Masson, during one test series, hit the body silhouette at 143 and 165 feet on the first two shots, and missed the head portion of the silhouette at 266 feet on the third shot by approximately one inch (1"), taking 2.0 seconds between shots 1 and 2, and a total of less than 5 seconds for all three shots. Two other series, oen by officer Smith and another, again, by Officer Masson, were fired in which only 1.9 seconds elapsed between two shots, and one of the three shots scored a "kill".
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It is not difficult to fire two consecutive shots from a Mannlicher-Carcano within 1.66 seconds, and to "point aim" if not carefully "sight" it, on the target on each shot. Cornwell fired the rifle twice in 1.2 seconds, and I fired it twice within 1.5 seconds. In both cases the second shot missed, but was close to the silhoutte. In fact, my second shot only missed the silhoutte by approximately 2".There was ample time for Oswald to have fired 3 shots, hitting with two of them, within 8.3 seconds. All series of 3 shots were fired in less than 8 seconds, two were fired in less than 7 seconds, two in less than 6, and two in less than 5."
Here are the results of actual 3D reconstructions which precisely match the dimensions of the car, the occupants, the plaza, the medical photographs, each frame of the Zapruder film, and the hundreds of of still photos which were taken on that day:
Here's what that analysis shows for the so-called "magic bullet":
Nice, straight, single shot through both men when fired from the window of the Schoolbook Depository Building, thank you very much. And JFK's and Connally's reactions appear at the same time:
Interestingly, a few seconds *before* that, both appear to be turning in reaction to something, likely the sound of the first (missed) gunshot (but both act uninjured at this point):
As for the theory that the head shot came in any way from the front, the 3D analysis shows that given the possible entry/exit locations on the skull (and the possibilities are large due to amount of damage obscuring the exact place on the front of the head where the bullet passed), any shot from the front and/or right could not *possibly* have come from anywhere near the Grassy Knoll:
The Grassy Knoll is circled in yellow. The red cone is the band of angles from which a headshot could possibly have entered from the front, after skimming over the top of the windshield. Unfortunatly, this band does not intersect the ground, and sails over the Triple Underpass at a height of 13 feet over the railing. The blue band shows shots that could conceivably have come into the car from the front, missing the windshield on car's left side (i.e., passing through where the rolled-down driver's window would have been), but unfortunately for conspiracy theorists, no witness ever claimed to have heard or seen any shooting activity from that direction.
Besides, the wounds in the skull clearly indicate an entry wound from the *back*, fragments of that bullet were found on the front floor of the car and a dent in the upper windshield frame, the head rocked FORWARD briefly before it was flung backwards (either by the "jet effect", or neural spasm, or both), and it too was a direct shot from Oswald's window:
Oswald did it, and it wasn't that hard of sequence of shots. Deal with it.
Everything I know about the assassination I was able to back up with reports and photographs. You haven't done any of that.
Connally's reaction was the same as Mrs. Kennedy's. JFK, Connelly and also Mrs. Kennedy all react to the third shot. Omissions like your's is what keeps you in the conspiracy business.
I hope I'm never on a jury with someone like you. People like you form an opinion and then push the "facts" to suit.
Moderators, this is a waste of bandwidth.
You've even got that wrong. The old canard is that the M91/38 Mannlicher-Carcano was called 'The Humanitarian Rifle' in WWII by Italian troops, but that phrase is an invention of conspiracy author Robert Sam Anson who coined the term in the 1960s.
Italian troops -- particularly the elite 'Reggimento Alpini' troops who fought against the Russians on the Eastern Front in WWII -- had good regard for the M38 Mannlicher-Carcano. Every time I've seen someone physically examine an M91/38, they've usually said something along the lines of 'Hey, I thought these things were supposed to be the "world's worst shoulder rifle". This is actually a pretty smooth rifle' once they've finally looked past the beaten and Cosmoline-darkened wooden stocks. I've even seen super high dollar custom sporters made from Carcano actions that people ooh-and-ahh over the quality of until they're told that the action is a Mannlicher-Carcano they've been repeatedly informed are 'junk'.
Disparaging the M91/38 has been the foundation of the JFK conspiracists since the beginning. Why, if that lousy-shooting Oswald couldn't have possibly made the shot, then that's proof of a conspiracy with no other evidence! Now that they've established that in the minds of bozos who want to believe in spooky stories, it's just a matter of laying out how the CIA/LBJ/FBI/Cubans/USSR/Mafia/Nazis/Robert Kennedy/Freemasons/Illuminati *really* murdered our president. Buy my book now! Fantastic NEW evidence!
The fact remains that the Mannlicher-Carcano is a thoroughly decent rifle and that Oswald was a far better shot than his agenda-driven detractors claim.
But you can believe whatever crap you wish.
True story.
Because he was shot in the back. Duh.
Explain how a man so severely wounded can turn around in his seat to look back, and not just a glance but a full turn.
He didn't, you have the timing of the events backwards. He turned around to look in the direction of the sound of the first shot. As he turned back he and JFK were struck by the second shot. The third shot hit JFK in the head.
Explain how Connally held his hat even after the back shot to Kennedy (Connally's wrist was supposedly broken then yet he held his hat for another 5 seconds).
His hand clenched, either from the pain or from physical trauma to the muscles/tendons that close the hand (and run through the wrist).
Explain why numerous people from the secret service man who first saw Kennedy's head in the limo to the Parkland Memorial staff to the Autopsy in Washington said the back of his head was blown out?
Because a) he was covered in blood, and b) the conspiracy nuts misrepresent a lot of people's actual testimony. Let's check an actual photo, shall we?
Oops, the back of his head is there.
"back and to the left" (just like Seinfeld said)
verything I know about the assassination I was able to back up with reports and photographs. You haven't done any of that.
Then EXPLAIN the photograph of Connally "falling" forward at Z=325, which is exactly the time the Dallas Police Recording showing the 5th and final shot fired that day.
Explain how Connally could move that far that fast in one frame. IF you do a calculation of velocity per frame, you'll find that moving about 1 inch in one frame is about what one Mile per hour. Connally's head moves several inches DOWN after moving forward from a ducking motion. IT would be impossible for a man severely wounded to move like that, IMHO.
Now explain Connally's turn to look behind him from frame say Z=230 to Z=324. He describes it perfectly in his description of WHEN he is shot.
Explain WHY Roy Kellerman's description of the last two shots exactly matches what the Dallas Police Recording analysis shows.
I'm not worried about bandwidth as I contribute often enough to pay for it. What I'm worried about is that we'll continue to be shown what is probably the biggest lie in history, and unfortunately, some will continue to believe it.
I have had coorespondence with Dale Meyers, the computer animator mentioned in the two shows I started out with. His animation is WRONG, but he would NOT meet with me to discuss it. I offered to go to Detroit at my expense to discuss it.
Once you show this scenario in a real animation such as Dale Meyers has, it will be obvious to the most casual observor. That's because it's the way it happened.
Regards
ROFL! The "Dallas Police Recording", eh? The "5th shot", eh? Wow, you really *are* a fan of debunked conspiracy nonsense, aren't you?
Explain how Connally could move that far that fast in one frame. IF you do a calculation of velocity per frame, you'll find that moving about 1 inch in one frame is about what one Mile per hour. Connally's head moves several inches DOWN after moving forward from a ducking motion. IT would be impossible for a man severely wounded to move like that, IMHO.
Yes, yes, we all know you're a world-renowned expert on the dynamics of human bodies...
Now explain Connally's turn to look behind him from frame say Z=230 to Z=324.
Read my earlier post.
He describes it perfectly in his description of WHEN he is shot.
Not in the way you claim it, no, he doesn't.
Explain WHY Roy Kellerman's description of the last two shots exactly matches what the Dallas Police Recording analysis shows.
Because the "Dallas Police Recording analysis" was bogus. That recording was made from a motorcycle that wasn't even in Dealy Plaza, as it turns out, and the reconstructions of the "shots" made on it were merely based on *SILENCE* on the tape that someone hypothesized *might* have been periods when the microphone was overloaded by a loud noise. Ooooh, *I'M* convinced!
What I'm worried about is that we'll continue to be shown what is probably the biggest lie in history, and unfortunately, some will continue to believe it.
Me too, but the conspiracy kooks keep pushing it anyway.
I have had coorespondence with Dale Meyers, the computer animator mentioned in the two shows I started out with. His animation is WRONG, but he would NOT meet with me to discuss it. I offered to go to Detroit at my expense to discuss it.
I'm sure he has had more than enough TrueBeliever(tm) conspiracy folks show up to scream at him already, he doesn't need more.
See how it works, Shooter2.5? A reasonable person can't even address the question without getting sidetracked about how many shots were fired. It's fallacy.
BILL_C, I presume that by 'Dallas Police Recording' you mean the Dictabelt recording of DPD channel 2 as recorded by Dallas Police Officer H.B. McLain's patrol motorcycle radio?
The National Academy of Sciences shows no compelling evidence for gunshots on the Dictabelt recording and that the House Select Committee on Assassinations suspect 'impulses' on the tape in question were recorded about a minute after the shooting happened. Officer H.B. McLain maintains that his police motorcycle was not present in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting. He was awaiting Kennedy's motorcade to arrive at the Dallas Trademart across town when the shooting took place.
The 'evidence' you rely on to make your point has been disproven for almost 30 years. Also, most conspiracy buffs are still claiming that there were four shots in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination and are having an impossible time in proving the extra shot. You're saying it's five shots all of a sudden.
Sir, I'm not looking at your "new" evidence when you're exhibiting so many disproven fallacies in open view.
Well, I guess Oswald's statement must carry more weight with you than all the forensic evidence and eyewitness testimony.
Well, after reading it, I was convinced he had unlocked "the secret" to the assassination. Until I read further, examined the facts in detail, and then realized Lifton is full of it. Since he completely ignores the wounds to Connally, which clearly show shots coming from the rear, and an entry wound from a bullet that had already struck JFK, it became clear that his lurid tale of switched coffins, runaway hearses, and frantic butchery of a corpse, is a wild tome from deep within his imagination.
"The 'evidence' you rely on to make your point has been disproven for almost 30 years. Also, most conspiracy buffs are still claiming that there were four shots in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination and are having an impossible time in proving the extra shot."
You seem to miss the main point of what I wrote. IF you discount the Dallas Police Recording and Dr. D. B. Thomas' Paper on "ECHO CORRELATION...." you still have several indications that John Connally was shot at Z=325.
First the Zapruder Video of Connally's head movement at that time. As I posted shortly ago, with 18.3 frames/second, if you work it out you'll see one inch movement from one frame to another is about one mile/hour. IF you look at the pictures I posted, you'll see Connally's head was moving several inches downward between frames. His head was moving forward horizontally before the shot, not downward.
Several people I've shown this to thought that Connally's motion was due to the car stopping and then speeding up. Look on a bigger frame of Jackie in the back sitting up, she shows no such movement like the men in front of the car (from ducking).
Now with the odds 100,000 to one against random noise producing impulses and reflections (echoes) that look like gunshots, then a reasonable person would assume that it's a possibility that they were gunshots (that's from D.B.Thomas' writings from the last few years).
In other words, some think the ECHO CORRELATION paper is wrong, but not everybody. When I see agreement like this, I pay attention to the message. AS I told Dr. Thomas in coorespondence we had last year, I don't think Ecoustical analysis will ever prove this to anyone and he agreed. BUT IF you put the things together, it tells a consistent story.
With several different sources indicating two closely spaced shots: the Zapruder film (Connally's movement), kellerman saying bang-bang for the last two shots, and the D.B. Thomas' analysis indicating the same spacing of 0.7 seconds, is it reasonable that Connally was shot in the back at that time?
The table I put in the writeup says YES, without a doubt. In fact, the Single Bullet Theory scores very poorly.
That's why the majority of Americans don't believe the "Official Explanations", and it's because they don't pass the smell test.
Are you suggesting that Gov. Connally was shot in the wrist 5 seconds after Pres. Kennnedy was shot in the back?
How do you know how long Gov. Connally held his hat after the back shot to Kennedy?
Your post 183 shows there's bad news and good news for conspiracy theorists. The bad news is that advancing technology undermines their case. The good news is that human nature hasn't advanced as fast, and many people hold their views as articles of faith. Facts don't matter to them so much.
I particularly like how for David Lifton's wild conspiracy to work that government authorities were responsible for altering President Kennedy's gunshot wounds from the coffin to cover up their dirty deed, he devotes exactly two little pages to 'kinda, maybe' how it might have happened in a book that's almost 1000 pages long.
Once I realized the critical premise of Lifton's conspiracy is hustled over in a few paragraphs, I placed the book back in my library shelf hoping that one day I would finally meet David Lifton at a book signing and make him give me my money back.
I'm glad that guys like you and The KG9 Kid, and others, who know a hell of a lot more about guns than I do, show up on these threads to respond to the lunacy.
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