Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
Where did everyone go? - OK... where is the party and why did you leave me here by myself on this thread?
LOL
Great screen name. Straight out of the 60's and Bezerkly.
LOL - fear not.
You're not alone.
OMG!
One could interpret that to mean that pictures of JBR were found there and shouldn't have been or someone took pics of her down there that weren't "typical" of the types of pictures the family took or had taken of her previously.
I think there is a ton of "undisclosed information" in this case. We have no idea, we think we "know" so much and we don't, we really don't.
Thanks for doing the work for me.
There seems to be some interest...and confusion, about the fourth handwriting sample of Patsy Ramsey. A link to it's existence is here:
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0521jon.htm
A side-by-side of the ransom note with her left hand sample was linked in this forum.
Like most handwriting samples, I don't put a lot of stock in them. But it is interesting how closely PR's left hand matched the ransom note (seemingly much better than her right hand samples).
did you read on about the photographer? and my other posts from late last night?
and the line in the note from the Dirty Harry movie - I never remember hearing that 10 years ago.
Karr is a valid suspect. He's got to be looked at, closely, and ruled in or out. Dot every i and cross every t before reaching a final conclusion. Not you, I mean the authorities.
OTOH, from the beginning, I've never believed that Karr did it. And since he got away with it ( if he did do it ), there was NO reason for him to admit he did it now.
He's supposedly claimed that the police is after hims, from many different states, for similar crimes. If that were so, why hasn't anyone from these unnamed states, asked for him now, too?
Perverts live a fantasy life and his confession just sounds like more of his fantasies.
Thanks. That references the left handed smaple.
"The Ramsey's have successfully sued numerous media outlets and WON for defamation a character.* Any one who is still in the "the parents did it" camp hasn't gotten all of the facts....and/or has been lead by hearsay,MSM (leaks given big headline and corrections given little or no coverage) and the tabloids."
I agree that much was put out in the MSM that was, by all accounts, defamatory, but I'm not convinced that many details of basic forensics were consistent and didn't need further examination. It may well be that the Ramseys had nothing at all to do with it and that it was entirely the work of an intruder, but there is nothing inappropriate about asking questions about conflicting evidence or forensics.
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Here's one way to get him out of this, lol:
http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4225945
Karr family believes he's lying
By DenverPost.com
A spokesman for members of John Mark Karr's family believes he will be exonerated in the death of JonBenet Ramsey.
In an interview with MSNBC today, Gary Harris said the family knows he has mental problems, but don't think he's guilty.
"He's not as he's been portrayed," Harris said. "He's no creature of the dark. There's a lot of good inside of him. He would not kill a child."
Harris said family members thought Karr was dead, after not hearing from him since 2001, when he was arrested for child pornography.
"He has had mental problems. He's a disturbed person, but not a killer I'm convinced he'll be completely exonerated."
Harris said Karr's relatives don't believe the ransom note involved in JonBenet's death was written by him.
He speculated as to why Karr would tell reporters that he was present when the 6-year-old died in Boulder in 1996, and why he said her death had been accidental.
"John Karr is a bragger. He wants fame and notoriety... and often hallucinates and likes to lie."
[snip]
That's a VERY easy out for Karr! Have you heard the tapes? He sounds insane!
FR mail.
Just in case these questions got buried in all the posts. I think it is perfectly appropriate and possible to ask these questions without accusing anyone of anything. Please note that I've included some of my OWN explanations for these questions...
17 questions that remain unanswered. Could it all be unfortunate coincidence?
1.) Patsy and Burke's fingerprints were all over the bowl of pineapple which we know was the last thing Jonbenet ate. The bowl was taken down from a high shelf. If not taken down by Patsy or the intruder, then who? [pineapple was the last food she ate, according to pathologists and only Patsy's and Burkes fingerprints were on the bowl]
[Maybe the killer wore gloves for at least part of the crime sequence, got the bowl down and served Jonbenet pineapple]
2.) How did Patsy's jacket fibers end up entwined in the ligature, on the inside of the tape that covered jonbenet's mouth, and ALSO in the paint tray from which the stick to make the ligature was used? She said she never wore that jacket down there.
[Perhaps the tray, tape and rope were all contaminated by the fibers indirectly by simply being in that house. If the killer were rummaging through the house while the Ramseys were gone, maybe he contaminated the rope, tray and tape himself]
3.) Why, according to pathologists, was the tape put over Jonbenet's mouth AFTER she died? [According to pathologists, there are characteristic indications on the inside of the tape when a person is still alive]
[This may have been a replacement tape put on after the girl managed to remove the first one by herself; it could have even been an n’th replacement. In addition, that last piece of tape may have been placed on her mouth AFTER a fatal head blow but before the killer knew she was deceased]
4.) Why were both Patsy and John apparently wearing the same clothes they had on the night before? Patsy said she got dressed BEFORE she found the note, so would a hurried dressing explain that?
[Maybe Patsy, being unlucky, decided to do something weird on the wrong day. There is some confusion about whether JR was truly wearing the same clothes]
5.) Why did Patsy claim that Burke was asleep during the morning of the discovery of the ransom note when he was supposedly heard on the 911 tape? What did he mean by saying "but what did I do" and "but what did you find"? Why did she then let him sleep until 9 that morning in his own bed, when they had planned to all be up by 6, on such a traumatic day? Was Burke really, really tired?
[This is the hardest evidence to ignore - maybe the tape didn’t really record that. There may be some controversy about how clear the voices really were. A copy of that tape would be useful. As for the late sleep-in, maybe the Ramseys just didn’t want their 9 year old son in the middle of such a traumatic event]
6.) Why was a 45 lb. girl dragged?
[Maybe Burke or neighborhood bullies did it 2 or 3 days before the murder]
7.) The coroner pinned her time of death very close to 10 p.m. How did an intruder, by virtue of the theory, botch a kidnapping (and thus write a long, 3 page rambling note), THEN kill her all between about 10:30 and 11 p.m. that night? By all appearances of forensics, the note was written after she died, not before. That defies the intruder theory. Even if he was already in the house when they got home he would have had to kill jonbenet at about the same time they walked in the door.
[The death, given the inherent limitations of time of death estimates, could have occurred as late as midnight. The ransom note, including many other preparations, could have been done before the Ramseys got home]
8.) What type of blow to the head would an intruder likely put on the child's head that would not create a laceration? An intruder in the bathtub? Why?
[I don't have an answer to this one. It seems like a rare event indeed that a blow that hard could be accomplished without tearing skin - a laceration]
9.) Why was the fact that Burke and his friend both testified that Burke owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots never given any play in the MSM? Why did Patsy and John deny that he owned them, only to confess that he did when confronted with Burke's testimony (actually, "affiant")?
[Maybe he did, but Hi-Tec boots were popular at the time. Maybe the parents didn’t really know what shoes their son had - material excess could explain that]
10.) When were the supposed stun gun marks made on Jonbenet's body? Do we really know if they were delivered on the night she was murdered? How would we? Were they really stun gun marks? [They never made a positive determination because they didn't investigate that at autopsy].
[So, the killer could have in fact stunned her]
11.) Who called 911 from the Ramsey home 3 days before her murder then didn't speak and hung up? Why did a return call 6 minutes later result in an answering machine response? Why were the police told when they responded that all was well?
[Fleet White claimed he did]
12.) Why did both the flashlight, which was sitting prominently on the kitchen island, and the baseball bat have no fingerprints on them whatever? Did any of the Ramseys ever touch either?
[Sometimes prints don’t show up after a while - maybe neither was touched in some time]
13.) Why was a swiss army knife, one hidden in the linen closet near Jonbenet's bedroom by the housekeeper (she took it from Burke and hid it there), found in the basement near the body? Who else but Patsy would have known the knife was hidden in bed sheets in the linen closet? [The housekeeper testified to the Grand Jury that only she herself knew about the knife]. Could this knife had been used to cut the ligature rope?
[The knife was placed in the “cupboard” about 1 month before the murder. Anyone could have found it and taken it to the basement]
14.) Why was a barbie doll nightgown still clinging to the sheet wrapped around Jonbenet's body, if it hadn't just been removed from the dryer? Who else but Patsy would have known it was there?
[Perhaps it wasn’t static cling but just present for some other reason]
15.) Why were the normal linens used on Jonbenet's bed ('normal' in the sense that the Ramsey housekeeper knew them to be) in the dryer the morning of the ransom note? Why was Jonbenet's bed made up with alternate bedding?
[Maybe it was laundry day]
16.) Why was Patsy the only person to leave fingerprints on the note pad from which the ransom note was written?
[Maybe the killer was wearing gloves for a portion of the crime sequence. He may have taken the paper elsewhere - like the basement - and wrote the note. In particular, he may have worn gloves whenever he ventured out of the basement.]
17.) According to the coroner's report, JBR's GI transit for the consumed pineapple should've placed consumption very broadly 1 to 2 hours before her death. Why would an intruder feed her, then wait so long to kill her while in someone else's house?
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There go the book deals.
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