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Archaeologists, courts debate artifacts' value [ Theft of petroglyphs raises questions... ]
Contra Costa Times ^ | June 18 2006 | Scott Sonner

Posted on 06/19/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

In a case with ramifications for archaeological treasures across the West, the Justice Department is asking the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider a ruling that freed two men convicted of stealing ancient petroglyphs in Nevada. "There is a good deal at stake here," said Sherry Hutt, a former Superior Court judge from Arizona who has written books on the subject and now heads a related program at the National Park Service... Hutt, who manages a Park Service program under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, said the concerns are valid. "Essentially, the government must prove the defendant knew this was an archaeological resource and knew the actual scientific benefit -- which essentially says only archaeological scientists could be convicted in such a case," she said.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: archaeology; artifacs; godsgravesglyphs; petroglyphs

1 posted on 06/19/2006 10:36:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/19/2006 10:36:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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3 posted on 06/19/2006 10:38:53 AM PDT by Anne of DC (RUMMY FAN BIG BIG TIME!)
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4 posted on 06/19/2006 10:39:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Petroglyph are worth the price of the rock, as far as I'm concerned. The rock belongs to the public, if on public land.

Next question?

5 posted on 06/19/2006 11:32:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is why I am a legalist/absolutist. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" is what I grew up under; and as far as I'm concerned, "intent" is a Liberal cop-out, to excuse leftists purposely breaking the law "for the higher good".

Perhaps, intent can be useful at sentencing; but not for guilt/innocence questions...PERHAPS.

You stole it; it was protected public property, on public land: neither your "intent", nor the monetary value, mean anything.

The snapping point on this was an Oregon theft case, where the theif was found 'not guilty', becasue the prosecution could not PROVE the thief "meant to" permanently appropriate an expensive ring to his own possession. He had broken in; stolen the ring; pawned the ring; spent the money...then told the court he "intended" to redeem the ring and return it at a future date: THEREFORE, according to Oregon higher courts, he had NOT stolen the ring, but had "only" borrowed it without permission.

If these yahoos could convince the court they "intened" to put the boulders back,after displaying them in their yard for awhile, under that "intent" assininity, they would again be 'not guilty'.

The Ninth Circus has again committed legal mayhem, this time to our national heritage and future understanding of our past.


6 posted on 06/19/2006 12:30:13 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Plowmarks", Art, or Writing...now we may never know. Thank you, Ninth!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Hangin's too good for the lot of 'em.


7 posted on 06/19/2006 6:21:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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To: SunkenCiv

In the process of stealing artifacts they inevitably destroy others.


8 posted on 06/19/2006 6:47:29 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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Of course, preserving them in museums would get a bunch of knickers in a twist (NAGPRA), so, it's just TFB. Artifacts left out in the open may wind up in private collections, where the handful of people who have ever seen them in situ will be unable to see them or even know where they are.


9 posted on 06/19/2006 6:51:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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