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Grand jury may consider new charges in Duke case
Raliegh Observer ^ | 5/15/06 | Ben Niolet

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:14:12 AM PDT by pissant

DURHAM - A Durham grand jury is scheduled to meet today, and the session could mean new charges in the investigation of a reported rape at a Duke lacrosse team party.

Two of the team's players were indicted in April on charges of first degree rape, first degree sex offense and first degree kidnapping. They are accused of assaulting an escort service dancer in a bathroom of a house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. Their lawyers say the men are innocent, and lawyers representing dozens of team members say that no sex or assault occurred at the March 13 party.

But the woman says she was attacked by three men, and Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong said he has been working on bringing charges against a third person.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY? If Nifong decides to submit the case, police investigators and possibly other witnesses will try to convince grand jurors in a secret session that the state has probable cause to bring a case forward. Grand jurors will hear only the prosecution's side of the case. The standard required for a true bill of indictment is far lower than the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard required for a conviction.

IF INDICTMENTS ARE ISSUED, WHEN WILL THEY BECOME PUBLIC? On April 17, a judge ordered the indictments in the lacrosse case sealed. The names of the players who were indicted were not released until 5 a.m. the next day when the players surrendered at the Durham County jail. If Nifong again requests that the indictments be sealed, the law allows a judge to keep them secret until the person is arrested or appears in court.

WHEN WILL ALL THE EVIDENCE BE REVEALED? State law requires prosecutors to turn over all of their case files to defense lawyers, but nothing requires the evidence to be turned over to the public. In open court hearings, lawyers often discuss some of the evidence, but the state's case may not be revealed until trial. No trial dates have been set. When a report on the DNA testing is complete, Nifong is required by law to turn it over to all 46 members of the lacrosse team who submitted DNA samples.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? The cases against Reade William Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., are moving forward. Finnerty has a court date in June. Seligmann is scheduled to appear in court Thursday. His attorney, Kirk Osborn, has filed a series of motions challenging Nifong's handling of the case and asking a judge to bar the prosecutor from further involvement.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; wtf
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To: Publius22

I'm going to disagree.

The search warrant for McFadyen's place listed $360 in twenties to be seized. The balance of what had been found at 610.

NiFong certainly thought they robbed her.

Her word was good enough.

Something must have come up that made him drop the charges, and we just don't know about it.

Unless he found out what happened, I can't see him forgetting about the purse and the robbery.


1,581 posted on 05/16/2006 7:31:48 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: TexKat

Comment from poster nccu_alumni at ABC's channel 11's discussion forum:
And the award goes to? Dave Evans, for Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series...

http://forums.go.com/abclocal/WTVD/thread?threadID=117045
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Who cares what that trash thinks.


1,582 posted on 05/16/2006 7:32:54 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

All of the analysts agreed that the most one could say about a specific person  the alleged third attacker in the Duke rape investigation  was that he could not be ruled out, but also could not be definitively ruled in.
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WOW that is some strong DNA evidence. </sarc>.


1,583 posted on 05/16/2006 7:34:14 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Locomotive Breath

You're quite right. My daughter carries two different make up bags in her purse. One has a mirror and lipstick. The other is strictly eye makeup.


1,584 posted on 05/16/2006 7:35:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ltc8k6

Maybe finally learning she'd spent 30 unaccounted for minutes unconscious in a car with convicted thief Kim?


1,585 posted on 05/16/2006 7:36:07 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: Sacajaweau
well
what I was trying to illustrate was that Time just ran w/ the story they were fed, and that that photo was her arriving, w/o even investigating it to see that the DA was nuts to think that.
1,586 posted on 05/16/2006 7:37:19 AM PDT by za_claws
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To: RecallMoran; marajade

Thank you! Correct on the 90% explanation. Also, oral rape is still penetration unless he/they slapped her around the face with "it" instead of penetrating her mouth.


1,587 posted on 05/16/2006 7:37:27 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Locomotive Breath

You're assuming that the smaller of the two bags she's seen riffling through in the photo on the back porch is the same one found later in the bathroom. Do we know that?

No, but I see 2 bags, and I assume one is the makeup bag. If they picked up everything and put it in Kim's car, then how did the police get the makeup bag from 610?

I dunno.

My best guess is that it was actually seized from the front yard. The warrant doesn't specify where it was found.

The makeup bag had the AV's ID in it, insted of it being in her purse. Curious.


1,588 posted on 05/16/2006 7:37:34 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Publius22
Of course, why would three collegiate athletes rape a "stripper" when they could have had sex with beautiful, young coeds? This is a demonstration of how entrenched the feminist notion that "rape is not about sex, but about power" has become.

The alleged rape happened during Duke's Spring Break, when few coeds were on campus. If it wasn't for Spring Break, I doubt they would have hired strippers at all.

And while rape can be about sex, recently in my area a 90 year old women was raped in her home by a 20-something assailant- do you think that was about sex? Rape may not always be about power, but it isn't about sex, either. Had the events that the AV describes actually happened, I would see that as more about anger than sex.

1,589 posted on 05/16/2006 7:39:26 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: darbymcgill
This could be nothing more than semantics, but I can clearly see 2 bags in the 12:30 photo... We know Kim was in the backyard immediately before the 12:41 photo or immediately before when the 2nd cab arrived around 12:45ish because he saw her coming around from behind the house. If the AV was incapacitated and had to be helped into the car by one of the players, it stands to reason that Kim may have been carrying her purse...

That makes a lot of sense to me. I've been wondering which bag her driver's license and credit cards were in. I recall from her search warrant that police were looking for her "ID" as well at the house. Do you recall if they recovered that? If not, then perhaps while Kim was driving off and Crystal was unconscious/unresponsive, Kim stole the $400 out of her purse and then perhaps discarded Crystal's purse with the ID in it.

1,590 posted on 05/16/2006 7:42:11 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Gottlieb spent years working as a domestic violence investigator. He may be empathetic to a woman who looks battered.

Amazingly, the lead investigator Ben Himan has only been a police officer since 2002 and a detective since January. His signature has appeared on all the search warrants. Making this newbie point man makes no sense.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/430110.html


1,591 posted on 05/16/2006 7:44:39 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

#1 on the list of items seized is:

Makeup bad with ID

I think it was probably seized outside the house, and that's why it's listed first. All the bathroom stuff is listed last.


1,592 posted on 05/16/2006 7:45:22 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
And I keep wondering if there is a personal connection between the Crystal or her boyfriend and a person or persons within the police department that would explain the investigators' behavior in this case.

I agree 100%... In Nifong's case as well.. There are way too many connections with him and the "society owes the downtrodden" crowd... ie. his Mrs and his work history after college...

It seems to me that he was doing everything he possibly could to get indictments. His refusal to meet with the defense team is totally bizarre. As if he didn't want to hear any exculpatory evidence that he would be required to present to the GJ.

I know this sounds tin hat, but it appears to me that he knows if he gets the boys to the point of going to trial where anything is possible then that increases the AV's chances of negotiating a buy out.

The sad part of the story other than the false accusations is, I really think the AV has some serious emotional issues, while the rest of these vultures are manipulating, calculating snakes...

1,593 posted on 05/16/2006 7:45:42 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: LWalk18
And while rape can be about sex, recently in my area a 90 year old women was raped in her home by a 20-something assailant- do you think that was about sex?

Well, the perp got an erection didn't he?

Have you checked the internet lately? People have some twisted sexual turn-ons.

1,594 posted on 05/16/2006 7:46:14 AM PDT by Publius22
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To: snarkytart
I believe that the Evans (The third guy) was arrested before for being rowdy and drinking. Did/do the police have his DNA on file?

In this Town, they probably do all they can to treat these Northern White Boys as the lowest form of criminal.

When we speak of the nails, where's the chain of custody?

1,595 posted on 05/16/2006 7:46:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke5.html


1,596 posted on 05/16/2006 7:47:20 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: Publius22

"This is a demonstration of how entrenched the feminist notion that "rape is not about sex, but about power" has become."

With boys/young men that age, its all about sex, not power. Also these kids were all on "The Team" and reasonably good looking young guys. That is honey for most young girls of a comparable age. The idea that this woman was raped just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure the boys had many more attractive options very easily available.

pattyjo


1,597 posted on 05/16/2006 7:47:54 AM PDT by pj_627
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To: snarkytart
Who cares what that trash thinks.

The problem is that she and others like her have a good shot of making this jury, short of a change of venue. Keep in mind, however, that the new venue cannot be radically different demographically from the original venue.

1,598 posted on 05/16/2006 7:48:29 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: ltc8k6

thanks, I couldn't recall whether they had found that


1,599 posted on 05/16/2006 7:48:38 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: GAgal

I just noticed that on the second search warrant item #11 is listed as:

"Any other items that nay constitute a crime."

Pretty broad warant! I didn't think they could be so broad.


1,600 posted on 05/16/2006 7:49:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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