Posted on 05/06/2006 5:11:23 PM PDT by Flavius
In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.
He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.
America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.
Banned from using the internet, Gary spoke to Click presenter Spencer Kelly to tell his side of the story, ahead of his extradition hearing on Wednesday, 10 May. You can read what he had to say here.
Spencer Kelly: Here's your list of charges: you hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense, and Nasa, amongst other things. Why?
Gary McKinnon: I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it's a very important thing.
Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.
SK: How did you go about trying to find the stuff you were looking for in Nasa, in the Department of Defense?
GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.
SK: So you're saying that you found computers which had a high-ranking status, administrator status, which hadn't had their passwords set - they were still set to default?
GM: Yes, precisely.
SK: Were you the only hacker to make it past the slightly lower-than-expected lines of defence?
GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't.
The General Accounting Office in America has again published another damning report saying that federal security is very, very poor.
SK: Over what kind of period were you hacking into these computers? Was it a one-time only, or for the course of a week?
UFO? A bird or a plane?... Gary was not able to get a picture of what he saw GM: Oh no, it was a couple of years.
SK: And you went unnoticed for a couple of years?
GM: Oh yes. I used to be careful about the hours.
SK: So you would log on in the middle of the night, say?
GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
SK: So what did he say? And what did you say?
GM: He said "What are you doing?" which was a bit shocking. I told him I was from Military Computer Security, which he fully believed.
SK: Did you find what you were looking for?
GM: Yes.
SK: Tell us about it.
GM: There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles.
They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it.
SK: What did you find inside Nasa?
GM: One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that.
I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.
But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made.
It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up.
This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.
SK: Is it possible this is an artist's impression?
GM: I don't know... For me, it was more than a coincidence. This woman has said: "This is what happens, in this building, in this space centre". I went into that building, that space centre, and saw exactly that.
SK: Do you have a copy of this? It came down to your machine.
GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.
SK: So did you get the one frame?
GM: No.
SK: What happened?
GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.
SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?
GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.
SK: You acknowledge that what you did was against the law, it was wrong, don't you?
GM: Unauthorised access is against the law and it is wrong.
SK: What do you think is a suitable punishment for someone who did what you did?
GM: Firstly, because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct. Even though I regret it now, I think the free energy technology should be publicly available.
I want to be tried in my own country, under the Computer Misuse Act, and I want evidence brought forward, or at least want the Americans to have to provide evidence in order to extradite me, because I know there is no evidence of damage.
Nasa told Click that it does not discuss computer security issues or legal matters. It denied it would ever manipulate images in order to deceive and said it had a policy of open and full disclosure, adding it had no direct evidence of extra-terrestrial life.
Anyone want to explain how this is even possible? I smell BS.
NASA, if anything, was filtering out U.S. Spy Satellites, most likely. That pic is obviously one of them, if not something more benign.
They are of immeasurable importance to our military and to our security. Do we want other countries to know we have the most advanced ones? Heck, No.
This guy is a big, fat, turkey. 60 years is fine with me.
I am open to convincing evidence of UFOs. However, blaming the government for covering up knowledge of their existence, is placing a bit more faith than I can muster in the competence of government.
Muleteam1
A roll of foil and a cardboard box will make a nifty solar oven.
Yeah...that's the guy!!
Having worked in a Top Secret Crypto Navy position, I disagree--with good reason.
And, you are inaccurate in terms of the research about the mental health of experiencers and even abductees. There's evidence of trauma, much as with rape victims etc.--which would be fitting given what they report.
However, actually, as a group--though there's somewhat of a normal distribution, experiencers are actually a bit above the average of the general population in terms of general levels of mental health--with significantly less of them being either not flakey at all or far less flakey than is found on average in the general population.
And, if I recall correctly, also of generally higher levels of IQ. I don't recall HOW significant the statistical differences were, but enough to be called statistically significant. But I need to try and find that research again before stacking a castle too high on it. It's been too long since I read it.
There's certainly no statistically greater degree of hysteria or of schizophrenia in the experiencer population.
The paranoia, or so called, is also not statistically greater depending on the criteria and whether one subtracts out things as intense as rape etc. which the experiencers evidently DO EXPERIENCE. Certainly there are not statistically significantly more paranoid character disorders in the experiencer's population proportionally more than in the general population. Some would say, there's significantly fewer in the experiencer population.
So, your assertions on those 3 points strike out entirely in terms of the solid research evidence measuring such issues.
As to the governmnet's ability to keep things secret--there have been a number of weapons systems and types of spy technologies that the government has kept successfully thoroughly secret for decades. I know that, for a very solid fact. Some have been revealed only in the last 5-10 years but I don't recall their names. Some are still secret.
I don't per se have much faith in the government's abilities in lots of areas. However, compartmentalized groups of overseers with ruthless intent, capacities, technologies and perhaps even demonic motivation and oversight--can do a lot to intimidate, scare and terminate humans sufficiently to effectively keep many things secret AS WELL AS advance their degree of control over populations, countries, intstitutions etc. across the Nation, continent and indeed, the whole planet.
You are welcome to consider my assertions folly, nonsense, illogical, unproven or whatever suits your fancy. Doesn't really bother me. Eventually, the truth of what I've said will be revealed.
Though strings to shape the parabola followed by chicken wire and ferro cement covered in foil would probably make a more durable one.
Derision and disbelief are chronic habitual--perhaps even compulsive phenomena on such threads.
Some of us beging to wonder if certain folks are ill when such do not appear soon enough on a UFO thread.
ILLEGAL!
I don't find anything insane, but the defense he is presenting is similar to that of insanity.
I didn't read anything in his report that one couldn't glean from open conspiracy theory and UFO/alien threads or old USENET logs.
Accordingly, if somebody asked why he was hacking, given the primary CT of UFOlogy is to present a coverup in wide open, covering up something so secret that nobody can figure out if its true or not, even casting doubt upon those within the institutions reportedly associated with the CT, then his story is a fairly well contrived defense.
In other words, he found a defense that is unprovable but commonly accepted by a significant percentage of the public.
He may have been attempting to determine launch code sequences and convey sensitive information to enemies of the Constitution, yet, by claiming he simply was looking for UFO CT verification, he's viewed as a harmless, perhaps stumbling idiot.
For a real enemy, that is just the type of perspective he would like his target to believe, once his activity was compromised.
Excellent points, imho.
It is so sad that this is a fairly ordinary observation, isn't it?
especially a collection of bureaucrats . . . logical, IQ and sanity seem to decrease geometrically.
It is so sad that this is a fairly ordinary observation, isn't it?
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Yup.
"Though strings to shape the parabola followed by chicken wire and ferro cement covered in foil would probably make a more durable one."
Durable, maybe, but not the most efficient. Hundreds of razor blades stacked next to each other will funnel and absorb much more solar energy. Anything that looks "shiny" is losing too much energy in the direction of your eyeball.
GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't."Get a Mac" ping. ;')
Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills,False.
countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West,False.
secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.False. Obviously, if there were free energy technology, the government would make immediate use of it, even if in secret, in the interests of national security.
There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles. They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it."Hey, Bob! I told this geek who hacked into the public website server that there's something called 'the Disclosure Project', and he believed me!" "Ha! Ha! Good one, Frank! Tell him there's a secret base with anti-gravity vehicles and free energy capture devices."
But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made. It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up. This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.... No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time... Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared... I saw the guy's hand move across.I'm pretty credulous, but I find it hard to believe anyone could believe this offal.
All of what I have said above is anecdotal, but in summary, no one has yet come forth with solid proof of alien existence so I have to compare this belief to the story about the 100-mpg carburetors whose patents have always been bought out by the large oil companies.
Regarding the government keeping secrets, my previous comments were obviously tongue-in-cheek. I am a retired professional from the Federal Government and I can tell you the government, at least where I worked, had assembled some of the most intelligent people of any workplace I have ever worked. Intelligent people can be devious and it seems possible that information could be withheld from the public if some parts of the government saw fit.
All this said, I must ask, are you telling me you believe that extraterrestrials are now visiting earth and that some of these events are real? If this is so, I am sorry but my pragmatic nature in these matters prevents me from joining you in that opinion. I will say that as a Christian I do believe in things which are not proven by science, but in the matters of whether or not extraterrestrials have visited Earth, I remain quite reserved.
Muleteam1
Ahhh.
I'm sure you're much more up on the science of such things than I am. Been a while since I've read much on it, anyway.
False. Obviously, if there were free energy technology, the government would make immediate use of it, even if in secret, in the interests of national security.
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Not really so obvious at all.
You seem to believe more in the good hearted patriotism of more known and shadow governmnet leaders than I do, these days.
For one, if the ruling oligarchy has decided it's necessary to bring the USA to it's knees in order to make setting up the world government easier, they have the clout to do it. And have been building that clout for many decades.
And as Ike told his military assistant, he knew he had lost control of the whole UFO field and that it had been taken over by folks who were NOT 'good patriotic' folks.
I figure Ike knew more about such things than you do even now.
Thanks.
I have no need to argue the mental health thing. It's been a long time since I read the studies. However, my PhD in clinical psych does afford me a perspective others without such don't have.
I don't know what percentage of how many races of ET's are bioengineered shells houseing demons; genuine ET's from other galaxies, nephiliam or whatever. I am convinced that ALMOST 100% of all such are at least in cahoots with satan to set up the global government as Biblically predicted.
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