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Linux 'easier to manage' than Windows
Ziff Davis ^ | February 14, 2006 | Ingrid Marson

Posted on 02/15/2006 6:06:44 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Survey: Research has found that administrators are more productive when working with Linux servers rather than those running Windows, but not everyone agrees with the results

(Excerpt) Read more at news.zdnet.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linux; windows
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To: Golden Eagle
i dumped fedora for that reason. but you didn't say red hat was a pain to update, you said linux is a pain to update.

you should try PClinuxOS aka pclos. maybe you will not be filled with such anger.

41 posted on 02/15/2006 1:00:13 PM PST by postaldave (democrats=traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: Golden Eagle
Linux is a major pain to install and especially update

Must I school you again? http://howto.homelinux.net/swf/yum.html The only difference in this flash between updating and installing is I would click the update tab and the hit an update button...

I saw a Red Hat system - supposedly the best - take six hours to complete up2date.

Funny I freshly installed an XP Pro system the other day and it took about as long.. You're leaving out little factors like (what release was it?, what was the network speed?, what was the disk configuration?) these and any number of other things can make *ANY* system take a long time to update.

42 posted on 02/15/2006 2:00:10 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
Given we have a small server load (50: as was said) and we run at more than four geographical locations running anything less than 6 (12%) would be down right irresponsible...
43 posted on 02/15/2006 2:02:04 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
You mean like when you said there was no easy graphical updater for Linux? You have been wrong time and time again whenever you have tried to say 'I know xyz about Linux..
44 posted on 02/15/2006 2:03:21 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: postaldave; Golden Eagle
Fresh install of RHEL2.1 takes exactly one reboot to bring completely up2date... how many does 2000 server take?
45 posted on 02/15/2006 2:04:29 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
Must I school you again? http://howto.homelinux.net/swf/yum.html

HAHAHAHAHAAAA! You want me to go to some hacker website for my security updates? LMAO, what kind of an idiot would do that? And you wanting users to do something exactly that stupid shows how little you really understand about how to properly secure a system.

46 posted on 02/15/2006 3:13:15 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
I freshly installed an XP Pro system the other day and it took about as long

Apples and Oranges, this Linux system already had everything loaded on it, and was only behind a couple of months on patches, and it still took 6 hours to get everything. P4 2.6 GHz system with a 1.5 Mhz download capacity, but up2date wallowed along at 45k the whole time.

47 posted on 02/15/2006 3:16:07 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
Fresh install of RHEL2.1 takes exactly one reboot to bring completely up2date... how many does 2000 server take?

If the O/S install media included SP4, like they all do now, only 1 as well. But if I'm a couple of months behind on patches, it only takes about 15 minutes to get up to date, while I personally witnessed this Red Hat box take 6 hours.

48 posted on 02/15/2006 3:19:25 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: ShadowAce
...such as?

Take for example the Creative Labs Audigy and X-Fi series sound cards. There are Windows 2000 and XP drivers, but NO available Linux drivers (at least from Creative's web site).

49 posted on 02/15/2006 3:26:45 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: N3WBI3

And every time we've compared the 2 on Netcraft, Microsoft has had a longer uptime than Red Hat, so your point is?


50 posted on 02/15/2006 3:31:28 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; N3WBI3
Microsoft has had a longer uptime than Red Hat

Y'all are talking one desktop OS vs. another.

Try putting Microsoft in DataCom next to AIX, HP-UX or Solaris and see what you get.

Windows gets creamed every time.

51 posted on 02/15/2006 4:36:17 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

No, I wasn't. I was talking about the parent companies, as in www.microsoft.com verses www.redhat.com, where microsoft.com has had a longer uptime every time we've checked on Netcraft. So let's check www.sun.com. 53 days:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.sun.com

hp.com, 47 days:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.hp.com

ibm.com, unknown, which usually means very recently:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.ibm.com

microsoft.com, 119 days, as typical, the longest of anyone.

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.microsoft.com

I'll save you the trouble of checking apache.org. 4 days ago:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.apache.org


52 posted on 02/15/2006 4:46:13 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

LOL! This test of yours is on the external web servers only? One server for each?

Got some stats on the payroll servers?

Ha!

LOL!


53 posted on 02/15/2006 4:49:56 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Michael Goldsberry
Payroll? At Apache? I don't think there even is such a thing, is there?

And you don't think it's funny to watch guys boast about supposed Linux uptime, when they can't even match the pitiful Microsoft corporation website? How could you not.
54 posted on 02/15/2006 5:03:17 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Ah, well.

Linux as a whole I'm not all that impressed with. It's fine on the workstation and all, just like Windows... but not really worthy of being in the Server Room. *BSD stuff comes fairly close, but not quite.

SCO, IRIX and DGUX give me a rash.

But let me be crystal clear again on this point: Windows *anything* has no place in DataCom.


55 posted on 02/15/2006 5:14:56 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Does what we need, perfectly well. We used to have DEC, HP, Sun, IBM, SGI and even Cray running everything. Now we just have a few of that, with only Sun and IBM left at all. We would have never dumped all those boxes if they worked as well for us as what replaced them. And for the same amount of admin money, we can have more people that are easier to get along with.


56 posted on 02/15/2006 5:25:10 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Sun and IBM

You're all set.

57 posted on 02/15/2006 5:31:21 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Exactly why we chose those two. But, they're too difficult for most to use. I've been doing this since I was entering octal in on front panel switches, and the quicker I can point and click to get everything to work the better off I am. Computers should be for our aid, to make things easier, first and formost. Everything else is just the pain the A that comes along with it. You have to really need those three or four 9's to put yourself through that much torture. And few places do.


58 posted on 02/15/2006 5:37:02 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I've been doing this since I was entering octal in on front panel switches

I started with flip dials and pixie lights, but I know what you mean.

the quicker I can point and click

Now you are talking like a standard issue user, which is fine. That's my customer.

Your wording indicates that you had some choice in the matter, which suggests a managerial role of some sort. In that case, allow me to congratulate you.

I've had to mediate between IBM and Sun before, from a Sys Admin level, and I can say that you have made an outstanding decision.

59 posted on 02/15/2006 5:53:05 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Golden Eagle

^^^^^^^^^take six hours to complete up2date.^^^^^^^^^^^

A one stop shop even with that much time still takes less time than a windows box.(assuming your number of 6 hours is accurate)

What applications do you run? 12 separate apps + OS you said?

Make your list of all the websites you're gonna have to go to to get it all updated. How long's that gonna take?

Yup, I did it in one place.

Linux is easier.


60 posted on 02/15/2006 8:01:55 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. Apple's own numbers are hard to argue with.)
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