The Hobbit Hole VI - And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...

[Wneighbor]

I have found not much hope in argument. I still do it though. Ashcroft is truly an admirable man IMO. What really ticks me off is having discussions with Christians who want him persecuted.

Good friend here, the teacher who subbed for me while I went to entmoot, he's a deacon and Sunday School teacher at one of the larger Baptist churches here. And he thinks Bush and Ashcroft are evil incarnate. I don't get it. Have been arguing this with him since I moved here.

I guess non-Christians it strikes me more as skewed politics and ignorrance. But, from Christians who *should* know how to recognize Biblical values and read the signs, I just can't get my mind around this.

[Wneighbor]

Corin. My kids did this too. I learned with Jill that those times if I couldn't get through to her sometimes PQ's mom could. We had an agreement between the 4 of us. If one of the kids had something they needed to talk about or say, it would be kept between that kid and the other adult. No running back and forth about things between me and Peg. Seemed to alleviate some of those times.

It worked well enough that when Myranda started getting close to that age we entered into that agreement with another of my friends with whom Myranda had a good friendship. Marty would take Myranda for weekends from time to time or if Myranda just needed to get away she was allowed to call Marty to pick her up from school and go have an afternoon out or whatever. (of course I was notified and permission given and all that) But, even now, Myranda will tell you there were just things she needed to talk to Marty about. And she was assured it was confidential. Myranda was a really *good* kid compared to some. But, she still needed that.

Not tryin' to butt in. Just givin' ya an idea that worked for me. Not worked ALL the way ALL the time - but it helped.

[Ramius]

You know, actually, that guy is the mirror image of the conservatives who were afraid Clinton would use Y2K as an excuse to declare martial law and suspend elections.

There was a time when I would have thought a similar thing. Sure, there was a lot to fear from Clinton that never materialized... but there's a huge difference.

These people actually *want* bad things to happen to the U.S. in order to make Bush look bad. They would actively help such things happen.

I didn't like Clinton, and I thought him capable of all manner of things, but I would never have considered doing ill to my fellow Americans just to make him look bad. These people are actively researching how to do just that to Bush.

[300winmag]

"Because Bush will suspend the constitution and will set up a Christian Theocratic government and will outlaw any further elections."

Reagan was suspected of planning the same thing. So was Nixon, but that was just because he was pure evil, not because of Christianity.

After studying soviet communism, I've seen that commies accused us of attempting to do that which they already had planned. The RATs saw the 2000 election as Bush using some sort of strange powers to get the Supreme Court to declare him president. I saw the 2000 election as the klintons' attempt to overthrow the rule of law, and install their puppet Algore to keep the seat in the Oral Office warm.

Their continued possession of the FBI files, and their dictatorial control of the RAT party, indicates to me that they are waging a low-grade civil war against us already. So far their weapons are smear and inuendo, with the occasional unexplainable death.

I have no doubt that if Sept. 11 happened while Bill and Hiltery were copresidents, we'd be under martial law today while they tore up the countryside looking for the rightwing Christians who flew those planes into the buildings. After that, any elections would be like those in Stalin's USSR, where he got 99.999% of the vote, and they were looking for the guy who voted against him.

The RATS, since FDR, have desired a one-party system like some banana republic, with a godlike "president for life". They got within 500 votes in Florida of almost pulling it off. They still have a lot of capability of trying it again.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

I understand... but I remember reading some things back then from people who seemed just a little too excited at the prospect of exercising their survival skills should the worst happen, if you know what I mean.

I think some people always hope for the worst, no matter what their political leanings.

[Ramius]

But it is time to not hope for the worst anymore. Love it or hate it, the Bush Doctrine of taking that battle to the enemy... is working.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

He's not their guy, and so they hope for the worst. If a Democrat were in office, following the exact same policy that Pres. Bush is today, you and I would be saying, "Well, I didn't vote for the guy, but I hope this works." They say, "I hope this fails so everyone can see how awful he is (and how right I am!)"

[Wneighbor]

Ya hit the nail on the head there buddy. Dead center!

[Corin Stormhands]

Thanks.

[Corin Stormhands]

grrr....

Been trying to install Luke's new games. One is fine. The other is a three pack of CDs with Disney games (Toy Story, Bug's Life, Monsters Inc.) Two of the three will not install properly.

It won't be pretty tomorrow when he realizes he can't play them. Don't know if it's system incompatiblility or what. Not gonna stay up to figger it out tonite.

see y'all tomorrow

[Wneighbor]

Night Corin!

Worry bout the games tomorrow. Talk to ya then!

Sleep well.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Have a good night... hope things go better for you tomorrow!

[300winmag]

I understand... but I remember reading some things back then from people who seemed just a little too excited at the prospect of exercising their survival skills should the worst happen, if you know what I mean.

I'm never excited about exercising certain skills I've learned, other than looking competent on the firing range. The Y2K disaster never happened, but I had a chance to try out a few of my survival skills/tools during the Great Blackout last August. I was mildly pleased with the results, but I never wanted a huge power failure, and still don't want another one. Multiply that by 1,000,000% for the Y2K disaster, and square THAT for a civil war.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

You're a sensible person. Unfortunately, not everyone is.

I used to lurk at some pretty strange places online in the 90s... I read more than a few messages and articles from people who were hoping for the system to crash. Some of them were conservative, some liberal, some I-don't-know-what. Every political philosophy attracts extremists of one sort or another, and more than a few of those extremists think "the system" is broken, and the only way to fix it is to wipe it away and start fresh.

I'm not one of them, but I like reading different opinions.

[SuziQ]

the story the herd read was about Nicholas Gage... the author of Elena... she was his mother...

I just saw anotice tonight in the Unitarian Church where Clare's Daisy troop meets that he's coming to some meeting in the area in the near future. I didn't read it too closely, just saw his name. I caught my eye cause at first I thought it said Nicholas CAGE was coming to town! Did a double take and realized I was wrong.

[Ramius]

Hey there... I wish the issues were as clear as the old Y2K stuff we had to deal with. But such is not the case. These people actually would prefer for harm to happen to the U.S. if there were some way that they could take partisan credit for it somehow.

Yah know... even back in my Clinton-hating years I had many fears of what he might be capable of doing. But I would never, ever, have wished for evil to happen on U.S. soil just so it would make him look bad.

[Ramius]

Well, I'm probly gonna bail out here pretty soon...

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Have a good night... will probably be heading off soon here too.

[SuziQ]

...but I like my higher seat and heavier vehicle now!

Heh, knew you would!

[Wneighbor]

I like reading those opinions too. Living way out in the middle of nowhere many of my neighbors had interesting thoughts. Prolly not acceptable in the mainstream but still good neighbors if you were a hard-working trustworthy sort. I still can't figure why they want so much for the system to end.... I mean, I hear the rhetoric, but that's it. Many of them I think just want to be left alone and feel too much outside invasion into their lives. That I can comprehend.

Frankly, I miss having that kind of neighbors. Sure they have strange ideas. But, not any worse than the people in this city. And they were reliable. If they told ya something, you could take it to the bank. But, ya weren't always gonna like what they said. However, they never would have opened up to anyone who hadn't gained trust either.