To: BibChr
It's not in the book, no. And it is universalist in intent, but I looked at it as "this is what happens to Christians". And from Gandalf, it's fitting - he's already died! And he'd know.
Since LotR was written from a Christian worldview, some of that carries over to the movies. I think you have to look at it as if the stuff they mean generally applies to a narrow group of people than the filmmakers think...
Have fun! I'm going after church on Sunday.
154 posted on
12/19/2003 6:40:43 AM PST by
JenB
(21 Days Til EntMoot)
To: JenB; BibChr
Don't you think you might be going a bit far in attempting to apply Christian rules to Middle Earth heaven?
This is a fantasy story in a pre-Savior culture with no obvious doctrine to accept or reject to gain salvation. It either is a universalist world where all souls would conceptually have a shot at heaven or a world in which only the elves and other selected people get to go.... if there is a boat to take them.
Gandalf's speech is from the book, but in a different context than in the film.... it is from the Grey Havens.
155 posted on
12/19/2003 7:07:47 AM PST by
HairOfTheDog
(‘I have quite finished, Sam,’ said Frodo. ‘The last pages are for you.’)
To: JenB
Thanks. Some of my coworkers are wondering how many tickets will end up framing my monitor!
Dan
156 posted on
12/19/2003 7:08:05 AM PST by
BibChr
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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