Posted on 08/24/2025 2:56:29 PM PDT by grundle
How many incidents have there been in the past, oh say five years, where an illegal alien killed US citizens? Including those where it was not just a stupid mistake due to not reading English road signs, but intentional murder? Dozens? Maybe a hundred or more?
So are you saying that every one of those is appropriate for inclusion as a separate Wikipedia article? C'mon, man. Try to focus on what an encyclopedia is. It's not somebody's blog, it's a source of data. So how would this become data rather than a sensational blog post?
Well there -IS- one way that this accident, and other killings of US citizens by illegal aliens would make it into Wikipedia. That is on a summary page, of which there are thousands already on various topics. Something like "Incidents Involving the Death of US Citizens Due to Illegal Aliens" (although I'm sure they'd word it a little differently).
That -- the summary article-- is IMO very arguably encyclopedia worthy.
I see, the historical perspective.
I don’t go to Wiki for anything touching politics, which is pretty much most things. They are highly censured and stylized from the liberal point of view.
FR strictly forbids Wiki as a source.
That said, do they not cover current events? As opposed to waiting until a qualification as an historical event.
Now it is up to some several million.
The ONLY identity of Harjinder Singh on Wikipedia is entirely involved with his death of US citizens while an illegal alien.
If you dispute this you are a liar.
Maybe dayglored is Wiki editor...who knows?
Wow. I'm not disputing that.
> Maybe dayglored is Wiki editor...who knows?
LOL, hardly. Their editors are maniacal and mostly leftist. I wouldn't fit in at all, nor would I have any inclination to do so.
I contributed a couple of brief articles on the American's Creed and William Tyler Page, many many years ago. I also contributed an article on "Sodom Road" in Ithaca, NY with a history going back to when Ithaca was known as Sodom (for the obvious reason). It first got absorbed into the article on Ithaca, NY, and then the righteous folks in Ithaca had it removed, despite the fact that it was sourced from the town historian. Oh well.
Wikipedia's political stance is leftist, and untrustworthy. They are hard into the woke BS as well.
However, the site is pretty good for non-political, non-woke-prone topics. Hard data is not political or social. Objective reality is undeniable, and Wikipedia has a lot of that, which makes it useful for those things.
Yep, it's one of the reasons I stopped trying to contribute articles or touch up existing ones. Swimming upstream is not my idea of a good time.
> FR strictly forbids Wiki as a source.
Rightly so. You can link to Wikipedia in a comment, but no article posts.
> That said, do they not cover current events? As opposed to waiting until a qualification as an historical event.
Yes, they have a news section, if they have a newly contributed article that describes a notable current event, such as an election, a major hurricane, the death of a notable person (which generally links to an existing article on that person), a catastrophic natural or man-made disaster, etc.
Note that articles on current events are often submitted, and last for a little while, and then are either deleted if the event loses significance, or absorbed into an article of larger context. Happens all the time.
What happened to storyin NY bus crash. Dead too.
East of Buffalo fri I90
I understand your distinction that it is not “encyclopedia-worthy”. Thanks for the clarification...I was ready to disagree with you and stress how newsworthy it is.
It certainly has a lot of ramifications besides the human tragedy and illegal immigrant angle. Truckers have been up in arms the last five or six years about this issue of non-citizens who can’t speak English driving our roads. It is definitely news-worthy and not just on “right-wing clickbait sites”, IMO.
“Neutral point of view.”
Your first post #6 implies that Wikipedia’s ignoring of Harjinder Singh’s involvement in the deaths of US citizens means nothing and is of no consequence whatsoever, which is total bullSchiff.
Answer me this dishonest one: why would he be mentioned AT ALL, or is it that everyone is codified in Wiki ?
"Means nothing"?? "Of no consequence"??? You have either misunderstood what I wrote, or perhaps I didn't make it clear enough. Or you're just trolling me, whatever.
What you claim I implied is simply not the case. Not all meaningful and consequential things are going to end up on Wikipedia or any other curated collection of articles. The world generates meaningful and consequential events in the 10s of thousands every day. A tiny fraction of those become Wikipedia articles. I'm not going to defend the editors of Wikipedia and their choices -- I have plenty of issues with them myself, I don't need to take up others.
No matter, I have no interest in this discussion getting personal, which is where you appear to be taking it. I don't play that game, it's unnecessary and unworthy.
So I bid you a good night.
The overall issue of illegals who can't speak/read English driving, which IMO is hugely important, will eventually get a Wikipedia page for the topic, with summarized historical data, and hopefully demonstrate clearly what a serious problem it is. The individual events, tragic and infuriating, are indeed newsworthy. However, I expect that the left-wing news media will continue to ignore them, leaving it to the "right-wing" sites to continue to publicize them.
Where, please.
Fox News showed it the discussion “And here he doesn’t even look upset that he may have killed people in the van he just hit.”
I just searched Google News and there are a ton of news stories on it. From what I gather, the driver survived, was not driving impaired, lost control of the bus, no known mechanical issues with the bus. More data will emerge, I'm sure.
I haven't found any info on the driver other than he's 55 and has a foreign name. The bus was carrying around 50+ people, mostly of foreign extraction, and none of whom were wearing seatbelts, so when the bus rolled at full speed, it was a mixmaster inside, people got trapped, crushed, ejected. 5 dead, lots injured.
I have not seen any indication of a Wikipedia article about that crash yet.
By way of contrast, there is a Wikipedia article on a multi-vehicle bus crash in Afghanistan, that killed at least 79 people including 19 children. It apparently is notable because "It was one of the country's deadliest road crashes of the decade". The article mentions a few other notable accidents as well.
So you now dishonestly claim.
“I have to agree, at least for now that this particular vehicular accident doesn’t meet the generally agreed upon notability guidelines.”
Your post clearly implies that there is no significance to Wiki’s ignorning of his crime/status. go ahead , deny that you did not imply that.
Why would Harjinder Singh be mentioned AT ALL without reference to his murderous crime which you maintain is of no significance?
I acknowledge your comment, but I’m not going to respond to your repetitious trolling personal remarks. If you feel the need, please annoy someone else, or not, your choice. Good night.
I highly doubt it Wikipedia puts every car crash in the country on their pages. That’d be all it would be. I’m sure as we’re discussing, another carcass is happening in the country somewhere. It’s insane to insist they report every crash. Very unreasonable!
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