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Russia’s Great Su-35 Fighter Nightmare: Its Top Fighter Keeps Getting Shot Down
National Security Journal ^ | 7/24/2025 | Brent M. Eastwood

Posted on 07/24/2025 5:21:29 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

Russia’s Su-35 “Super Flanker” is touted as the pinnacle of its 4th-generation fighters, a highly maneuverable jet meant to rival the best in the West. However, the aircraft is based on a Cold War design and suffers from a fatal flaw: its outdated radar system is comparable to 1980s U.S. tech and lacks key modern features.

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The F-16 beat this fighter. Russia's planes stink.
1 posted on 07/24/2025 5:21:29 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111

The US has gone through the F22, the F35 and is building the next gen fighter now. And this thing is getting shot down by F16s.

That does not bode well for Russia.


2 posted on 07/24/2025 5:35:54 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: whyilovetexas111

They only have about 100 left.


3 posted on 07/24/2025 5:39:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: whyilovetexas111

At some point Russia is going to run out of aircraft, drones, Chechens and North Koreans. Then what?


4 posted on 07/24/2025 5:44:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: whyilovetexas111

It’s like all things Russian, TOO BIG....................


5 posted on 07/24/2025 5:51:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: whyilovetexas111

The age of jets being manned by humans is coming to an end... You can pretty much do it all without humans, so why bother spending millions training people to fly complicated jets when you can just hire some teenager or high school kid in Nevada to fly them remotely.


6 posted on 07/24/2025 5:54:21 AM PDT by jerod (Nazis were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: montag813

Then they shoot Vlad in the head and blame it all on him... His strange fascination with recreating the iron curtain has been a costly endeavor for Russia in terms of blood and money.


7 posted on 07/24/2025 5:56:46 AM PDT by jerod (Nazis were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Red Badger

“TOO BIG”

Is that what she said?


8 posted on 07/24/2025 5:57:35 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: whyilovetexas111

Amongst other things, I’m an engineer/mathematician/physicist — not an aerospace engineer though. Even I can tell the SU-35 has the radar cross section of a brick with wings. I mean literally a brick. Easy to spot. The F-22 on the other hand has the radar cross section of a bee. Literally the F-22’s radar cross section is that of a bug.


9 posted on 07/24/2025 6:02:28 AM PDT by piytar (Remember Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, and Corey Comperatore!)
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To: sauropod

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10 posted on 07/24/2025 6:06:01 AM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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To: Vermont Lt

“That does not bode well for Russia.”

The Russian Federation can convert the natural gas the EU refuses to buy and that can’t be sent to China to make nitric acid and explosives.

That makes for a simply massive Russian Federation ability to make explosives cheaply.

WIKI

The Ostwald process is a chemical process used for making nitric acid (HNO3). The Ostwald process is a mainstay of the modern chemical industry, and it provides the main raw material for the most common type of fertilizer production. Historically and practically, the Ostwald process is closely associated with the Haber process, which provides the requisite raw material, ammonia (NH3). This method is preferred over other methods of nitric acid production, in that it is less expensive and more efficient.

NH3 + 2O2 → H2O + HNO3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostwald_process

The Haber process can be combined with steam reforming to produce ammonia with just three chemical inputs: water, natural gas, and atmospheric nitrogen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_production


11 posted on 07/24/2025 6:06:58 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

Mmmmm-Kay. Not sure what that has to do with not being able to put a decent jet into the air…but OK.


12 posted on 07/24/2025 6:09:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: whyilovetexas111
Russia losing one of their best to U.S. leftovers (again) is kind of embarrassing (again). Keeping electronics and countermeasures current is as important as performance.

What makes this worse for Russia is, they can't make good on these losses. Russian production in aicraft, tanks and ships are all so low they cannot replace or keep up with losses.

Ukraine can make up losses with Western aid. Western weapons are proving they are more effective and survivable than their Russian counterparts consistently.

Putting a few captured Bradleys and M1 Abrams on display in Moscow for PR value does not make up for this.

13 posted on 07/24/2025 6:14:57 AM PDT by Widget Jr (⚖⛓️☭ Russia is the career criminal of countries. ☭⛓️⚖)
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To: whyilovetexas111

At least the Russians have the benefit of seeing what does not work.

How certain are we, for example, that various of our aircraft would not be shot down by an S-400 or Chinese equivalent (as part of an integrated, functioning air defense system)? Our confidence comes from defense contractors who are no more trustworthy than pharmaceutical companies.


14 posted on 07/24/2025 6:19:47 AM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: whyilovetexas111
SU-35’s an outdated design, I suspect it is easily tracked in air to air combat. That said, I suspect this has more to do with munitions than structure. As an example, I have a very old pistol (that I sadly recently lost as it fell off the boat) a hundred years old to be exact. It is (was) a fantastic conceal carry weapon. The new munitions makes it an excellent home security and carry weapon. Its precision construction allows it to handle modern ammo. That ammo is what brought it off the display shelf and back into a holster.

Same applies to the jets. The F-14 could track and lock on to a target I believe 45 miles away. The AIM-9 version at that time was effective at a range between 1-20 miles so the pilot did not actually need to physically see their target to shoot it down. Imagine what the F-16 an older design than the SU-35 can carry today. The aircraft is just the pistol that fires the new ammo. Munitions is where we have the world beat, for now.

15 posted on 07/24/2025 6:20:45 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for)
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“Russian production in aicraft, tanks and ships are all so low they cannot replace or keep up with losses.”

Putting aside ships (surface ships being of dubious value to Russia these days), the vast majority of news reports and congressional testimony say the exact opposite.


16 posted on 07/24/2025 6:23:15 AM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: jerod

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At some point Russia is going to run out of aircraft, drones, Chechens and North Koreans. Then what?**
**Then they shoot Vlad in the head and blame it all on him... His strange fascination with recreating the iron curtain has been a costly endeavor for Russia in terms of blood and money.**

Recreating the iron curtain-there’s others that think the same way.


17 posted on 07/24/2025 6:23:25 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Stingray51
Come on?! Seriously, have you not seen what the Israeli F-35’s have been doing to the Russian and Chinese air defense systems in Syria and Iran. They blew a corridor between Israel and Tehran destroying all the air defense and early warning system along the route. After hundreds of sorties they did not lose a single aircraft. After having neutered the air defense systems in Syria, in a matter of days the destroyed the Syrian Navy and Air Force after Assad left for Russia.

Our tech has been tested against the best Russia and China have. Do not think for one minute the Iranians are ignorant Bedouins. They can run those systems as efficiently as a Russian or Chinese operator.

18 posted on 07/24/2025 6:29:30 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for)
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To: piytar

“radar cross section”

A plane can be spotted from above as it flies above the ground. The ground color varies, but the plane underbelly color can’t.

The F-22 can fly through clouds to hide, but that ability doesn’t happen every day.

Planes and drones can often be seen from the ground.

A contrail could be created in front of the front line. The plane or drone painted sky blue interrupting the view of a white contrail can be spotted.

On partly cloudy days, the clouds may be a few thousand feet up. Stealth planes and drones can be spotted as they move under blue sky and white cloud. The drones can be somewhat transparent, but the F-22 can’t be.

The plane also makes noise. It can be heard even if it can’t be seen in the clouds. The drone I hear occasionally in my neighborhood is very noisy.

At night, fireworks style explosions created by artillery shells might enable an aircraft to be detected as it blocks the view of an ember momentarily.


19 posted on 07/24/2025 6:30:34 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

Good points.

But remember the F-22 is old tech for the US. 20 years old in fact. Our new stealth fighter/bomber addresses these issues. And no, I’m not talking the F-35. This is well known in some military blogs I follow.

And the Russians have not caught up with even the F-22. Also they have a serious production/maintenance problem.

Don’t get me started about China’s flying brick.


20 posted on 07/24/2025 6:45:22 AM PDT by piytar (Remember Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, and Corey Comperatore!)
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