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The F-16 beat this fighter. Russia's planes stink.
1 posted on 07/24/2025 5:21:29 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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The US has gone through the F22, the F35 and is building the next gen fighter now. And this thing is getting shot down by F16s.

That does not bode well for Russia.


2 posted on 07/24/2025 5:35:54 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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They only have about 100 left.


3 posted on 07/24/2025 5:39:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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At some point Russia is going to run out of aircraft, drones, Chechens and North Koreans. Then what?


4 posted on 07/24/2025 5:44:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: whyilovetexas111

It’s like all things Russian, TOO BIG....................


5 posted on 07/24/2025 5:51:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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The age of jets being manned by humans is coming to an end... You can pretty much do it all without humans, so why bother spending millions training people to fly complicated jets when you can just hire some teenager or high school kid in Nevada to fly them remotely.


6 posted on 07/24/2025 5:54:21 AM PDT by jerod (Nazis were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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Amongst other things, I’m an engineer/mathematician/physicist — not an aerospace engineer though. Even I can tell the SU-35 has the radar cross section of a brick with wings. I mean literally a brick. Easy to spot. The F-22 on the other hand has the radar cross section of a bee. Literally the F-22’s radar cross section is that of a bug.


9 posted on 07/24/2025 6:02:28 AM PDT by piytar (Remember Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, and Corey Comperatore!)
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Russia losing one of their best to U.S. leftovers (again) is kind of embarrassing (again). Keeping electronics and countermeasures current is as important as performance.

What makes this worse for Russia is, they can't make good on these losses. Russian production in aicraft, tanks and ships are all so low they cannot replace or keep up with losses.

Ukraine can make up losses with Western aid. Western weapons are proving they are more effective and survivable than their Russian counterparts consistently.

Putting a few captured Bradleys and M1 Abrams on display in Moscow for PR value does not make up for this.

13 posted on 07/24/2025 6:14:57 AM PDT by Widget Jr (⚖⛓️☭ Russia is the career criminal of countries. ☭⛓️⚖)
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At least the Russians have the benefit of seeing what does not work.

How certain are we, for example, that various of our aircraft would not be shot down by an S-400 or Chinese equivalent (as part of an integrated, functioning air defense system)? Our confidence comes from defense contractors who are no more trustworthy than pharmaceutical companies.


14 posted on 07/24/2025 6:19:47 AM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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SU-35’s an outdated design, I suspect it is easily tracked in air to air combat. That said, I suspect this has more to do with munitions than structure. As an example, I have a very old pistol (that I sadly recently lost as it fell off the boat) a hundred years old to be exact. It is (was) a fantastic conceal carry weapon. The new munitions makes it an excellent home security and carry weapon. Its precision construction allows it to handle modern ammo. That ammo is what brought it off the display shelf and back into a holster.

Same applies to the jets. The F-14 could track and lock on to a target I believe 45 miles away. The AIM-9 version at that time was effective at a range between 1-20 miles so the pilot did not actually need to physically see their target to shoot it down. Imagine what the F-16 an older design than the SU-35 can carry today. The aircraft is just the pistol that fires the new ammo. Munitions is where we have the world beat, for now.

15 posted on 07/24/2025 6:20:45 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for)
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Russia is now fighting the war by blasting Ukrainian front lines.

Once Ukrainians are spotted, artillery shells can rain down on them.

Really tough structures can be taken out by glide bombs.

The natural gas the EU isn’t buying (and may never buy because it is phasing out hydrocarbon use) can be used to make explosives.

I don’t see how Ukrainian forces can withstand all that.


32 posted on 07/24/2025 7:18:14 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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This means the Ukraine is winning!


37 posted on 07/24/2025 8:00:40 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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Communism never succeeds.


42 posted on 07/24/2025 8:45:47 AM PDT by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races the DNC hates.)
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